Stereotype Busting, Candy Lusting, and More with Ana Xavier

Ana Xavier: 00:00:19

One thing that I took on very quickly was this concept of if you think something nice about someone, say it to their face. And I love that I will be on the street and thinking, how can I make someone safe, better?

And so if I think, oh my gosh, that lady just looks stunning, I will tell her, I'm like, you look stunning today. And the amount of people who are just like, oh my God, I really need that, needed that today. I love that.

Danny Brown: 00:00:48

Hi and welcome to 5 Random Questions, the show with unexpected questions and unfiltered answers. I'm your host Danny Brown, and each week I'll be asking my guests five questions created by a random question generator.

The guest has no idea what the questions are and neither do I, which means this could go either way. So sit back, relax, and let's dive into this week's episode. Today's guest is Ana Xavier.

Ana is the founder of The Podcast Space and has coached impact driven women, minorities and multilingual businesses to two times listing engagement, secure sponsorships and position themselves as industry leaders.

Her practical approach and deep expertise honed over ten plus years in podcasting, radio and digital marketing across Portugal, London and the US make her a sought after coach and consultant. In twenty twenty three, Ana's commitment to advancing diverse voices earned her the American Marketing Association Maverick Award chapter.

A frequent speaker and collaborator with global organizations, Ana delivers actionable insights to help podcasters turn their shows into powerful tools for influence and success. So, Ana, welcome to 5 Random Questions.

Ana Xavier: 00:01:55

Thank you for having me. This is the first time I'm doing something like this, so I'm very excited.

Danny Brown: 00:02:00

Well, it's funny because we were in the green room earlier while we were getting prepped for this and we were just talking about podcasting basically for 15 minutes or so. So yeah, I love doing this show because normally my podcasts have all been in the space or the industry, etc.

So I love doing this from a host point of view and having guests on like yourself to sort of throw back your head a little bit and just do something a little bit different.

Ana Xavier: 00:02:21

Yeah, and it's. I love some of these shows because it really tests your creativity and you never know where it leads you.

Like everything can be an idea that takes you somewhere else down the line. So yeah, I'm pumped.

Danny Brown: 00:02:33

I am looking forward to it. And as I mentioned in the introduction there, you're from Portugal. So what would you say the best thing is about being Portuguese?

Ana Xavier: 00:02:41

Oh my gosh, the best thing about being Portuguese is being very authentic. Sometimes I find that people Are like, oh, wow. Like, you guys are so big in community and like, you really speak your mind. And I'm like, yeah.

I mean, especially after living in the uk, I felt like people were beating around the bush and I'm like, just tell me what's going on. And people will be like, seven things that they loved and then eventually, 20 minutes later tell you the thing that they didn't like.

Whereas Portuguese people tell you seven things they didn't like and under their breath, like, the ones that they liked. So it's definitely very different. But I think that, like, being really authentic and into community, those are like the.

The two main things about being Portuguese that I think that's awesome, Juan.

Danny Brown: 00:03:23

I know, and this is not part of the random questions. We'll definitely get to that very shortly.

But I know, I know some friends that often get confused, maybe not so get quite confused, but the similarities maybe between Spain and Portugal, it's almost a shared language, but obviously not quite because Portuguese is its very own language. It's used in Brazil. Do you feel there's a connection?

Do you understand why people might feel and get confused if they don't know the real difference between, say, Spain and Brazil? Brazil. Shut up, Danny. Spain and Portugal? Or do you think, no, come on, you gotta learn. You gotta learn.

Ana Xavier: 00:03:58

You know, it's hard for me because actually I am from close to the Spanish border with Galicia, so 15 minute drive from the border. And I actually grew up watching Spanish television.

And Spanish culture was really, really brought up in me because I watch not the standard Castilian Spanish, but also the Galician channel. And so just as a joke, we would say that we had five Spanish channels on tv. Like before, you know, really, like, people were into cable tv, but.

And then only three Portuguese channels. So as you can imagine, we were consuming a lot more Spanish content. So I find that I am a little biased toward it.

I think that Spanish people are definitely a lot more relaxed than Portuguese people. Portuguese people can get a little stiff at times, but I can understand because there's a lot of proximity.

Like, in terms of phonetics, Portuguese sounds a lot more like Russian. And where I'm from, we speak very, very fast.

And so people like, my husband's French, and he'll be like, if I read Portuguese, he speaks a little bit of Spanish. So he'll be like, I know what the gist is, but when you speak, I have no idea what you're saying.

So in terms of culture, there's definitely a lot of interwoven.

I mean, you know, Portugal kind of created itself as one of the oldest countries in Europe, but the country itself didn't get form until much later because just kind of like no. One, we got invaded by everybody.

Two, it's just like up and down, up and down until the kind of like conquering towns and then going back and then losing it. You know, just like crazy things happen. So there's a lot of shared culture. So I get it.

And here in the US actually, until 20 people will be like, oh, Portugal, is that like an area of Spain? Do you speak? Is Portuguese like a dialect of Spanish?

And then after: 2020

And it's so interesting because, yeah, like food wise, language, customs, customs, like I think that all of those things are shared, so I understand. But yeah, you wouldn't look at France and Italy and go, oh yeah, like they're the same, right? Like they're really, they have really strong ident.

And so I can understand.

But also, again, I don't think I'm the best person because I grew up just I feel like I know so many Spanish references and so much part of the culture that I'm like, yeah, no, I get it. But I'm not the best person to speak on it, for sure.

Danny Brown: 00:06:29

So I know my son, he's 15 and he's a competitive soccer player and one of his things he wants to do is go to Spain, Portugal, to see all the teams there and go to some games, etc. So I know he's super pumped to try to get there maybe next year.

So if that happens, I will definitely get in touch with you and say, hey, Arno, where should he need? Where should he go in Portugal to live? The real Portugal.

Ana Xavier: 00:06:52

Oh my gosh, yes, for sure.

Danny Brown: 00:06:55

Well, what we shall do, we might not be talking about Portugal. We might, we never know. But we will be talking about five random questions.

So let me bring up the random question generator and Anna, are you ready to take your place in the hot seat?

Ana Xavier: 00:07:07

Awesome. Let's go.

Danny Brown: 00:07:09

All right, let's do it. Question number one. Interesting. Have any of your values shifted over time?

Ana Xavier: 00:07:19

I think yes, especially because I moved over multiple countries, so my awareness around people's customs, my gosh, what is with me and costumes?

Danny Brown: 00:07:31

That's a Spanish pronunciation.

Ana Xavier: 00:07:33

Yeah, right. And I think that just the understanding of what I thought it was standard was not standard at all.

Or what I assume was just the everyday was not everyday. At all. And honestly, I have a pet peeve with the expression like, oh, that's common sense. Because it's not common sense.

Nothing is common sense, I find these days. So I think that for sure they have change.

And I think that everyone who lives a life should move abroad at some point because that's when you like really question a lot about what you think in life in general. So I think that's a must for everyone.

Danny Brown: 00:08:08

there that prior to say maybe: 2020

And Portugal, being a European country, can have a very different culture from the us, from North America, from Pacific, even from some other parts in Europe. Did you find that was how long you been in the US now? Did you grow up in Portugal or.

Ana Xavier: 00:08:32

Yeah, so I actually left Portugal when I was 22, if I'm not mistaken.

I finished colle when I worked in radio and then I moved to the UK for about five years because my best friend got accepted at a school, an illustration school. And so she's like, wouldn't it be so cool if we just had like a best time, like friendship, like crazy, two girls in London. And I'm like, sure.

And so I looked for any type of radio production, anything course related so that I could go. And so I feel that I've been in the US for 10 years, the UK for five, and then Portugal for 22.

But let's be honest, you know, your, for me, your belief system past 22, I find maybe with a youth, I'm like 36 now, but like with the younger generation, access to the Internet really enables you so much access to everything.

But I remember that moving to the US was really interesting because not only moving to the us, but moving to Dallas, Texas from London, I was like, why is everyone so friendly and nice? This is really interesting. People like, good morning, love your lipstick. And I was like, what? This is fascinating.

So yeah, that was like really interesting to me in terms of like just how generous and like really kind people were.

Not that Londoners aren't, but there's like that, that habit of just like you've gone on with your life and you do things and it's completely different. So I think that that in itself changed a lot. But also like, I think you become a little bit of a chameleon, right?

Like the more countries you move to, the more you take in.

And I have to make a side note, Danny, I think that one of the things that I absolutely adore about Americans that everyone is so surprised to hear is one thing that I took on very quickly was this concept of if you think something nice about someone, say it to their face. And I love that I will be on the street and thinking, how can I make someone safe, better?

And so if I think, oh, my gosh, that lady just looks stunning, I will tell her. I'm like, you look stunning today. And the amount of people who are just like, oh, my God, I really need that. Needed that. I love that.

Especially because also, let's be honest, I could say a lot more than I do. I am the receiver a lot more times than I am the giver. But just kind of like, that takes time to build, I think.

But when I go to Portugal, it's like, some of those things, like, even my sister, I have a twin, and she's like, I'm now thinking about all the time how I can, like, compliment something, someone on the street. And I'm like, oh, my God, I love that for you. But I think that it's. It's so important to just share something. And that's a value that I took on from.

From Americans that I think is just an amazing thing. Like, why not make the world a better place? Just, like, one compliment at a time. If you really mean it, of course. You don't need to be fake.

Danny Brown: 00:11:25

No. And you know what? That raises a good point. Twofold, actually. So one I was gonna ask you about.

Do you find, having lived in different places, that stereotypes of people before you move to a country, so you might have heard about London before the UK before moving there. Then once in the uk, you may have heard about America before moving there. Do you find the stereotypes are often wrong, or do they live up to that?

And then just to that point, you just raised.

Actually, I found myself going down the video rabbit hole on Instagram and YouTube, et cetera, with all the shirts and the ones that keep popping up where the algorithm does really well. So than algorithm gods for putting these in front of my face.

It's stuff exactly like that where a young kid has gone up and given random strangers flowers and just saying, you look lovely today. Have a great day. And just as you mentioned, Anna, it's just they needed that.

At that time, there was one older lady whose daughter had passed the year before, 26. She was like a young. You know, a young woman. And it was close to the anniversary of that.

So just the fact that someone gave her flowers and spoke to her and talked about her life was like Yeah, I was eating onions at the time, clearly, because I did find out myself of a little tear or two. So it's great to hear you do that. Do you find that our values may be what people expect of us? So the second part of the question, long asked.

Random question here. I apologize. So are stereotypes right or wrong?

And then do these stereotypes that we may believe about ourselves put us off from doing something like that, where we act kindly towards others for no other reason except for doing that?

Ana Xavier: 00:12:57

I think that there's. What I've learned is that there's a lot of truth to stereotypes, for sure. But what I would say is, are those stereotypes true or is it kind of.

Is there a bias? Because there's kind of a. Okay, hang on.

Let me think about how I can say this, because it's basically like, there's the standards, but also there's, like, the standard of how people behave abroad.

And I think that there's, you know, in America specifically, I studied journalism, and one of the things that we did study was how American journalism and American brainwashing in media happens. And so how the American dream is sold not only to people abroad. And, you know, Hollywood creates this dream of America.

And especially growing up in the 90s, what you would see about American teenagers and all, but also how it affects people throughout.

And truly, like, one of the very specific examples about Americans is that people say, oh, Americans don't want to travel abroad, which is not true anymore. Like, we. We're seeing an evolution of how people are behaving, the standardization of travel and that becoming more common ground.

But I, living here now, I understand why you have a country that is huge, that has so many incredible things, so much variety, and I get it. But there's this true nationalism, this national pride of, like, we are.

So there's so much to us that I want to feel like I know my country well before I start visiting others. And I think that that's something that is nice. Like, I, for instance, like, Portuguese people do not have, like, national pride at all.

We think everyone is better than us, but there is truth. Like, in general, I think that there's truth to most stereotypes.

But that's when I think, like, is there a concept of, like, the people who would go abroad are one specific type of the population, and that's only you interact with. So how are you consuming those ideas around the stereotypes around Americans?

Because let me tell you, every single time I would talk to an American in the UK and in Portugal, tourists were always so friendly and so nice. And very chatty. And I love that. American, I'm an extrovert. I have a problem. And so I'm like, oh, my God, you chatty. I'm chatty.

And so I would like, love that about them, but then other people would perceive that as like, oh, they're so fake. I'm like, I love that they're trying to actually make the most of a situation of like an encounter with a stranger.

And so how you frame that, I think is super important. But also it's going to change because we live in a time where everything is more fragmented. The Internet is very, very fragmented.

And so you may have a perception of Americans and someone who has a different algorithm may have a different perception of Americans if that's the kind of content they consume. And they've never met an American. So I think that that's something that for sure happens a lot and will happen more in the future.

Danny Brown: 00:16:01

Yeah, I hear you. And I know, like, the interesting thing about stereotypes as well.

Often you only hear the word version, you know, so you hear that Americans can be allowed. And where you mentioned, well, maybe they're just friendly.

They're friendly and energetic and happy to see you and meet someone from a different country. And, you know, you get the stereotype of Canadians being nice. But I know a lot of Canadians that are dicks. So not personally, I know all of them.

Just to clarify, I don't hang out with horrible Canadians because that's what we are. But yeah, so it's just like, yeah, I feel it's easier. And we see that online as well. You mention it as well.

We often see the worst of people or we get pushed the worst because that what, that's what drives clicks to news articles and videos, etc. So, yeah, it's great to see travel being embraced by more cultures or countries, if you like, from the standard ones that you normally expect.

And again, to say that Americans or one particular country doesn't travel because the US Is a huge place. There's so much to explore there on your backyard where you can drive there.

Obviously it take a long time if you're driving from one state to another end. It can take a long, long time. But yeah, I hear you.

So it's great to hear and haven't met you in person as well in the US Funnily enough, I think in Washington. Either Washington or yeah, in D.C. it was D.C. yeah. So I can tell you're a very friendly, extrovert person and that's all good.

We need more of that in the world. So that's all good. Speaking of needing more in the world, let's have a look at questions number two. Okay, here's a nice, nice, easy one.

I feel question number two. What is something that makes you smile?

Ana Xavier: 00:17:40

Oh, so many things. It depends where I am. But my garden, whenever I go outside, I love gardening. I'm the classic, like, creator. I love crafty things. I love gardening.

I think it's, like, such a fun thing, especially living in London for five years and not having a garden. And I feel like moving to the U.S. i'm like, give me all the plants. And so it really makes me smile.

Especially, like, seeing all the bees and all the pollinators. I'm like, oh, yay, look at things happening. I think that for me, especially working digitally a lot, most of my clients are virtual.

And so to me, that connection to the real world is super important. And those little things do matter. I think that we can get really hung up on so much going in the world or the things that just they're not working.

And so to me, whenever I'm like, watering my garden, checking in on the plants, taking the dead leaves, like, to me, that's like a huge, A huge thing. And I'm one thing that makes me smile lately, though, like, another thing, I lose, like, one and I'm like, two.

But I think, to me is really looking for the positive lately and looking for, like, gratitude. And being an entrepreneur, I find that we moved way too quickly to, like, oh, we did this. Okay, check.

Like, let's move on to the next thing and really rejoicing in that moment. Like, yesterday, I had an interview with one of my dream guests. Her name is Denise Duffel Thomas. She's a money mindset coach from Australia.

I've been listening to her podcast forever. And to be able to have her on the podcast, and we had, like, we chatted for a total of two hours and we had a great time.

And to me, just to live in that moment and to remember that frequently, like, oh, wow. Like, she, you know, she made the time to guest on a podcast, my podcast, one of the shortlisted, which is, you know, great.

But really remembering that as humans, we can set everything that we want to and it's just a matter of time until we make it happen or a matter of different strategy. And I think it's really good whenever you achieve something that you've been trying for a while and you go, my gosh, like, I did that.

Let me remember that, like, mental note for future me. So I think that Is like one of the things that we can really fight negativity in the world.

And kind of just as humans, our monkey brain is telling us we're always in danger. I'm like, but look at this beautiful butterfly. Isn't it wonderful the way it moves its wings, little things like that.

I don't know if you take those moments to kind of appreciate things around you, do you?

Danny Brown: 00:20:21

I do, yeah. Well, I do now. As I get older and we moved, we used to live very close to Toronto. So we were in a fairly big city called Burlington.

It's about 40 km west of Toronto, I'm going to say. So it's really busy. We had a backyard, but it wasn't a very big backyard.

And we decided to move north before our kids got too older to try get back to that sort of like you mentioned, nature, community, just fresh air. So we were very fortunate. Where we live now, it's a little village, 800 families tops is very small.

Ana Xavier: 00:20:54

Oh wow, that's small.

Danny Brown: 00:20:56

It is small. Yeah. And like a 15 minute walk from our house. It's like a lake and you know, a bunch of islands on the lake and go swimming, kayaking, all that.

And we have deer and animals in our backyard. So it's not year round. Well, that'd be awesome. I would make a Disney movie.

But it's nice when the, the winter comes around because you start to see them coming out because they've just been breeding in and the new deer are born, et cetera. And then come the spring they're starting to, you know, filter outwards.

And the kids, they hated it at first because they loved the big city and all the things you could do in the city and their friends were all there, et cetera. So they hated us as parents when we first moved. But now they love it. They wouldn't go back. They've made great friends here.

They've got loads of stuff they can do. They can go on a trail at their school, they can do loads of stuff.

And I was going to ask you, following a farm, do you feel more people were getting back to maybe not quite so much nature, but just the appreciation of nature and the world around us and, and why it's important to appreciate that and respect there being part of our lives as well.

Because I know in the past, like I would have been really keen on getting my lawn to be one of the best in the neighborhood and you know, getting the pesticides out and everything. And now like I let it grow wild, I'll maybe more once a month of that big, big difference in mindset thinking.

Do you feel people are doing that more now and respecting it, or we still got a bit to go?

Ana Xavier: 00:22:19

I think so. And again, I already have a bias toward, you know, sustainability, so I think that, that in. In that sense, I look out for that.

But I think that especially in the U.S. yeah, as well, the, the idea toward, oh, let's not poison ourselves, and the understanding as well that like, every single thing you're putting in the soil, it comes back to us. Right. Like, it comes back to nature.

And I think that there's like, a big, big understanding of the importance of staying in, in the moment and really touching grass. Like, I. Many times of the day I'm like, I have not touched grass today. Like, that's really important. Especially because we, again, we. We are animals.

And I think that we. We can't forget that. And we create all of these things, sure.

But there's such a powerful impact when we're back to nature and to try to keep at least that balance.

I remember, like, one of the things that even though I lived in London for those five years, there's so many public, like, the third spaces are like, common areas where you could go and, like, sit in a backyard in, like, a garden in the middle of nowhere, or like London fields where, like, I used to live, you could go and get a barbecue with your friends and just walk and see the leaves fall. And I think that that was, like, so magical in the US it lacks that.

And so I think that whereas a lot of people have, like, those lawns with big, big, you know, grass all over and stuff, I think that there's also, in big cities, a need for that. And people are really taking over spaces and rewilding and.

t said something about, like,: 2026

And so him looking at trends and being someone who's on social media and on the Internet and being a businessman, I'm rooting for that because he says Generation Alpha is going to be the first one to do unplug. And we see already that they're not using phones as much or they want dumb phones or they want just to disconnect from the Internet.

Yes, they're chronically online, but at the same time they're like, I don't want technology to track everything about me or whatever it is.

And so I think that that in itself is going to be part of that movement to go back to nature and to really reset our nervous system systems because people are understanding how that really is affecting our well being. And so even if you can have just natural plants in your apartment, that's gonna really, really help you be a better human in general, I find.

So, yeah, I really miss, like, we're renting right now and I asked the owners if we could build some garden boxes. And that was just so fun.

And I got to grow so many more things here where I am in Arkansas versus Texas, because in Texas just gets too hot for too long and so everything gets like really crispy really fast. And so I was like, oh my God, I had like 10 cucumbers in my, in my fridge the other day.

And I was like, I don't know what to do with all of these cucumbers, but I'm like, but I grew these babies and I'm like, they're healthy. And you know what I mean?

It's just like another way to use our creativity and our skills and feel like we're doing something to take the load off, you know, the chain food system or that we're eating healthier or we have appreciation. I think that's the most important thing. It took me so long to grow those cucumbers, so I'm like, I'm gonna eat all of them.

So I think that it really triggers different parts of your brain assumptions and to go about those values. Right? Like it really changes your values about how you see the world. So long winded answer. But do you grow something?

Danny Brown: 00:26:20

We do. We. Well, we do and we don't. We've got like an area in the yard where we can grow and we've attempted to grow.

We've grown some stuff, but other stuff have been an object failure because Canada is famously well known for having four seasons, five seasons even in one day. Right. The weather just changes so frequently.

Recently it's been more steady, but not in a good way because it's been warmer than it should have been and colder than it should have been for the average time of year, that kind of thing. Which goes back to your point about, you know, taking care of the planet and being aware.

But yeah, I mean, we've grown like yourself, cucumbers and salad. Well, not salads, but stuff for salad. So lettuce, tomatoes, that kind of tiny stuff. And I remember trying to grow corn And I was super excited.

You can't. Our listeners can't see this because I'm holding it up in front of my webcam, but my fingers about 2 inches apart. And that was the.

The corn and the cob that I grew. I was super excited. Couldn't eat it, obviously. I just left it out for the animals to have. But yeah, that was my unsuccessful attempt.

But yeah, we've got like the planters and that out there ready to use. It's just making sure we try to. And then tend to them. Right.

And then because we've got two busy kids that are competitive athletes in the relative sports, they keep up, they take up a lot of time. And I know you don't have to be around plants and that to grow them all the time, but you do have to be aware and around. So our goal is to do that.

And it's. To your point about the electronics, it's interesting, Colin, Colin Gray from the podcast host was a guest two, maybe three episodes back.

And we were talking about electronics. He's got the same as me. Two teen kids, I believe. And we were talking about them being on their screens a lot.

But they were being on their screens talking to their friends and having conversations while playing games. They weren't just like mindlessly scrolling, doom scrolling whatever.

So hopefully, as you mentioned, the younger generation will take us to that next leap where it gets back to community, people kindness and still having conversations as opposed to just being stuck in your room doing your own thing. Right?

Ana Xavier: 00:28:14

Yeah, And I really missed that growing up in the 90s, right? The, the fact that you just go to your friend's house and yeah, the technologies were just like booming at that time.

But I think that as a millennial, I'm looking at my friends and we're all like, what hobbies do you have? Like, I took on a crochet. I took on whatever I started. Embroidery and practical skills that really, I think that as.

Yes, sure, we can replace, we can pay someone to do something, but, like, there's something to be proud of when you've either grown a vegetable or where you can mend something or you create art. I read in an interview at some point I listened to in a podcast, of course, that it was something around the.

When you're activating your creative part of the brain, it shuts off the anxiety part and vice versa. If you're anxious, you cannot be creative.

And I think that that in itself reminded me so much of the importance of having a craft and just focusing on it because it is like, you're just focused on that and the joy it brings you. And again, I'm a millennial with kind of like squirrel brain. So if I don't succeed right away, I kind of get annoyed, and I may stop doing that.

But at the same time, just the trying, just doing to me, I have an embroidery. I took an embroidery class, and so it was kind of like, kind of flowers. And then the top I wrote, which was not part of the class.

It's my maverick side. I was like, I'm gonna add something that's not here. And I wrote the joy of the process.

And truly, to be in the process, in the moment, and just saying, I am doing something for me, and I am doing something that not only improves my skill sets, but also just honors my creativity and making time for that.

Danny Brown: 00:30:03

Well, it's like the old saying, the journey, it's a journey, not the destination. Right. Which is so true. So what you learn as part of that process, as part of that journey.

And yeah, I can see why being so focused on something is better for your mental health because you're not allowing whatever insecurities you may have to come creeping in because you're focusing on something else. All about the creativity. And being a podcaster helps 100%.

I recommend, if you're listening, you're not a podcaster yourself, do it and reach out to Anna. She will help you. You know, it's so much fun.

Ana Xavier: 00:30:40

Yeah. And I think that, like, leaning into, like, think that the. To me is I have my analytical part.

As you know, I look, I love looking at the data, but tapping into, how are we really having fun? Because if you're not having fun, your listeners are not having fun fun. And if you're not having fun, it's not a sustainable podcast.

And I think that that, to me, it really comes back to that element of everything is interconnected. And so, yes, look at the data, but also, if you're not having enough fun, you're not. What's the point of this? So just wanted to dive into that 100%.

Danny Brown: 00:31:16

100%. And one of the reasons for doing this podcast. So thank you for jumping on and being a guest today. And speaking of fun, it's been fun so far, Anna.

So let's have a look at what question was number three brings up for us. Okay, question number three. What did you want to become when you were younger?

Ana Xavier: 00:31:34

I always laugh at this question because I always remember this moment when I was in primary school. So I am someone who has a lot of creativity and at the time, I was like, on Mondays, and I wanted to be a veterinarian because I love animals.

On Tuesdays, I was going to be a policewoman on a horse. On Wednesdays, I was going to be a dancer. On Thursdays, I was going to be a gymnast.

And then on Friday, I don't remember what I was going to be, but it was probably a teacher or something. And so it was always, like, random things. And then every year I would want to do different things, which is really weird.

But again, I think, you know, just not everyone has that innate ability. But what Then eventually, when it was time to like, okay, what am I going for college?

I was like, okay, I really like having conversations with people. I'm really curious, how about journalism? So it was like, mainly about my intrinsic qualities versus what I want to do specifically.

But it was always like, I'm a very creative person, multifaceted, multi passionate. Right. And so every year was something different. So I can never say, like, oh, it was this one thing. What would it buy you?

Danny Brown: 00:32:46

I think similar to you, I wanted to be a journalist, actually. I studied all the things at school and university to do that. And then I discovered girls, and that kind of threw all my plans out the window.

And then again, journalism. And I still don't use my English degree to this day.

You know, my wife and I have a funny back and forth about how important university education is or isn't. I'm on the side of it. Isn't my wife's on the side of it, is because you've always got something to fall back on, which I get.

But I'm also curious as to how many people actually use the degrees they got at university or college in their day job, you know, and I know people have different jobs as they get older, but overall, in the most overarching profession that you have, do you. I mean, do you use your. Your degree, for example?

Ana Xavier: 00:33:33

I do, actually. I do.

Danny Brown: 00:33:34

Okay, well, I'll shut up. I've been crazy.

Ana Xavier: 00:33:36

I'm the exception. I'm the exception, though.

But I was going to agree with you that most of the people that I know, what they're doing right now is not related at all to what they were doing at the time. And I do, because podcasting ended up being something that, like, my degree was communication, PR and multimedia.

And so then you would, like, pick, like, journalism or whatever. But basically it gave me all the knowledge that I needed. Like, okay, how do you pitch yourself? Pr, Right?

Like, how to write something that is appealing to someone else. Multimedia which is what we are always doing. We need to work on a website, we need social media, we know newsletters, we need to code all the time.

And then journalism. I'm very inquisitive, asking questions, having conversations, but also something specific that I love. I love designing information.

I love design itself, and I love informing and educating people. And so I create a lot of information for graphics. And so actually, like, I leverage every single thing that I've learned in college.

But I hear, especially in Portugal, there's this thing where I keep hearing that because university has become like that thing that you have kind of to do. Like, most people are like, oh, you want. You're going to be a bum. Like, people say this thing. So it's like, you got to go to college, obviously.

And so there's these. Not as interesting. They're not young people are not as invested in college anymore. And it's kind of a continuation of regular school.

And so teacher, like, I was talking to a teacher of mine from college and she was like, I had to tell parents to stop calling me because their children are over 18 and they need to stop controlling their lives and students need to take accountability. And I was like, okay, interesting. So that made me think, like, yeah, we need to reframe and restructure how college education is.

We need to prepare people for more for what is coming in the job market and what they're going to be doing. And my course, for instance, was very, very practical. We started college and we started doing articles right away.

And so I know that that is not the norm for a lot of different colleges. So it really depends where you study. But I think it's the most. What you make the most out of it, right? There's so many different ways.

Like my sister, she loves studying. She has a PhD. After my bachelor's degree, I'm like, I'm out. I want to work. I want to figure out if this is for me. Right?

And so I think that it is what you make out of it.

Danny Brown: 00:35:58

What's interesting, you mentioned about the different lessons that kids are getting now.

Like, when I was at school many, many, many, many years ago, it was very much, you know, English, art, mathematics, languages, pe, physical education. And that was it. Five lessons, basically. And now, like my son and my daughter, they're doing coding, for example.

They're doing like life studies or doing indigenous studies, which is awesome. They're doing, you know, trades and practicality on top of, say, coding, etc, so you've got that backdrop.

You've got people coming in that are skilled, that are teaching, you know, courses, etc. So it seems very much more driven towards life skills and what's in the workplace when you leave, as opposed to what's always been traditional.

You know, what you should have, you know, I don't know, apart from maybe maths teachers or tutors that would use trigonometry on a daily basis. Maybe that shows my ignorance about mathematics. You know, I never liked mathematics to start with, but it's interesting.

Do you find like, because you've been in different countries now, do you find the education systems a bit different as to what's taught or the approach and what people are doing now?

Ana Xavier: 00:37:08

I think that there's again, I'm 36, so I sometimes I'm like, oh my God, I was in college for so long. I find that for instance, when I was studying journalism and every single thing that we do today was a no no at the time.

For instance, do not pick photos that may someone look bad so someone like has their hair up or something. They're like, you know, be honoring of their image. Do not write clickbaity titles. Write truthful titles. Wait until you have all stories.

And then just like the advent of the Internet changed that, for instance, in my industry. So I think that that in itself there's something to be said about how the Internet probably changed a lot of industries in general.

But I would say that definitely it is very different. I find that the American education system is insane.

Both my husband and I being both Europeans, we really see how American students are groomed to be outspoken, to have public speaking skills and to speak their mind. And I remember when both of us were in college, we're like, we're such dorks, you know what I mean?

Like, we're like, oh my God, I am so shy talking skills. So I think that it is incredible to see.

And in the uk I thought the education system was very, very different in the sense that there's just like different styles, I think. But I think that is important.

One thing that I will say is important, my sister is neurotypical in the sense of like she, you know, she's really good at goal setting. Her brain works in a very logical way. I have a very creative brain. I get distracted super easily and I don't see things that are obvious.

My imagination wants to run wild. And I remember when I was studying talking about more like through, like education in general.

Like, like the through line was before people were like, this is the one way you're going to learn and this is the right way. And I get so annoyed at that because I think that everyone has different learning needs and that's something that overall has evolved into a.

Let's provide accommodations to people who may have a different learning style. Let's not assume that just because their brain works differently that they, there's something wrong with them.

That is the one change that I've seen across the board that I think is super important to be considered.

Danny Brown: 00:39:32

Yeah, it's funny you mentioned doing it the right way or they're doing it the one way. There's one way to do it and no other way.

My daughter's elementary school, I'm sure it's a school board and the whole education system for this topic. Probably they've got Common Core math now, which is there's a weird thing that you do.

When I used to do math back in the day, we'd have the puzzle or the problem in front of us and in your notebook you'd have the, the, the column on the left hand side where you do all your addition subtractions, you're working out and then you put the, the result on the paper, the whatever.

But now the Common core is there's 10 ways and paths that you've got to go and you've got to not carry the one, but you've got to times it by 10 and do multiplies by sixes and all sorts of weird stuff. And my wife is like, she is like you, she's millennial. So we were. I'm a bit older than my wife, so we have a different generation.

I'm not that much older, just to clarify.

Ana Xavier: 00:40:27

My husband and I too, actually.

Danny Brown: 00:40:28

Yeah, he's Gen X, but yeah, so we both looked at this Common Core and thought, what the hell is this? It made it more difficult than just, you know, carrying a one minus and a zero or something like that.

So it's interesting to see how different education systems are in place now, you know, for kids, for a topic that you might have been good at in your day, but. But now you would probably fail, you know, if you got the same exam.

Ana Xavier: 00:40:53

Yeah, that is true, honestly. And sometimes like again, as you grow and evolve, your brain also changes and when you're younger, you really are a sponge.

Like, I mean, I learned Spanish just by watching tv, so you know, like, I can't take credit for that. Like, like learning a new language now is completely different and much harder.

So I appreciate that even the way that things are taught are different. But I think that when you think see different educational systems you also appreciate that. Yes, there's like so many different ways.

And I think that that's one thing about podcasting is that you have to learn so many things all the time. And YouTube University is something amazing. Right. So I think we live in the education time in the information era.

And so it's just like the way that you want to get, get educated is completely up to you in so many different ways.

And I mean, I remember, you know, doing any coursework or whatever, you would have to go to go to the library and now you just, you know, click, click, tap, tap, and then you have an answer to something explaining in a completely different way.

So I think that I appreciate the resources that are provided and you know, maybe you or your wife are like, oh, I don't know how to do this, but you know, Mr. YouTube Daddy will for sure. So I think that that in itself is like, even, like parents can have tools today that are just so much better and so much kind of like varied.

Danny Brown: 00:42:21

It's funny you mentioned the library there.

My kids thought it was hilarious when I told them when I had to learn stuff for my school exams or whatever when I was at school, I had to go to the library and go to the library person and ask for the reference area.

And then I'd go to a big drawer, set of drawers and pull out the reference cards that had had the number of the, the shelf that you had to go to in the row of books, etc to pick out. And they thought you had to take a card and go upstairs and find. Use a map basically to try find a book. That's crazy. Dad, you're old.

Like, yeah, I am, but that's how we got places, you know, so it was fun.

Ana Xavier: 00:43:00

Indeed, indeed.

Danny Brown: 00:44:27

Well, speaking of not doing anything one particular way, the beauty of this show is we don't have to take any questions. Any particular way. Well, except from numerically, 1, 2, 3, 4. So we're up to question number four. Question four, Anna, what is your favorite candy?

Ana Xavier: 00:44:43

Hmm, I don't know, it's. Well, I really like. Can I say chocolate? Like Reese's Pieces?

Danny Brown: 00:44:50

Indeed you can.

Ana Xavier: 00:44:51

Reese's Pieces.

Danny Brown: 00:44:52

Reese's Pieces. See, I can't agree with that. Only because I don't like peanut butter. My wife's a huge peanut butter fan.

But has that always been a sort of favourite of yours from being a young girl, or is it something, something that's come along?

Ana Xavier: 00:45:04

No, actually, like, I didn't. I think it was like I didn't like peanut butter pretty much. And then like, at some point in my life, it just changed.

I think it was actually when I moved to the U.S. you know, peanut, peanut butter and jelly sandwich. I guess, like, I tried and I was like, this is the best thing ever. So, yeah, like, it just actually before I really liked lion.

The chocolate bar, that was really. That was like the thing. And also, like, American candies versus, like, European candies. They're like, very different.

So I think, yeah, like, I'm someone who will evolve and change in so many ways that, like, maybe if you ask me in five years, I'll be like, think something different. What is yours?

Danny Brown: 00:45:45

Oh, I would say probably Blackpool Rock. So from the uk, it's basically. I don't know how you'd.

How would be described in the US Because I'm not sure if it's a European thing or I think it's a very British thing, to be honest. But Blackpool Rock, it's like a stick of rock. It's like hard candy, hard sugar cane candy or whatever.

And it's about, I don't know, let's say a foot foot long and it's a tiny little inch or whatever. And it's mint, but you've got different stripes and colors through it. And if you go to.

There's a city in the UK called Blackpool, which is why it's called Blackpool Rock. So on Blackpool Pleasure beach, there's loads of stalls that sell candy floss and, you know, sandwiches and stuff like that.

But Blackpool Rock, I really don't know how you describe it anywhere else, but once you taste it, it's one of these that you either love or hate. There's no sort of middle ground to it, but it breaks your teeth, by the way, so don't bite into it.

You got to suck on it until it sort of dissipates into your mouth.

Ana Xavier: 00:46:41

I just had to Google it. While you're talking about it, I'm like, oh, yeah, Like, I've seen this. I had this. Yeah. Oh, my gosh. I. You know, you see, like, that's the thing.

A lot of times I'm like, oh, I remember seeing this. What's the name? I don't know, but this seems so cool. Oh, yeah.

Danny Brown: 00:46:57

Well, if you're in the.

If you're in the UK next year for the podcast show Blackpool Rock, I shall try get Mark or Kieran or someone because they'll be passing Blackpool or close to passing. They can go out their way a little bit. They can bring some down to London for that.

But it's funny you mentioned like when you moved to the U.S. that's when you kind of discovered your enjoyment, if you like, of peanut butter. And you've got. You mentioned that you have peanut butter, jelly or jam sandwiches. Gotta ask you, because I was watching.

I'm gonna say it was Hot ones, the. The YouTube shop. And the guest was, if I recall. Oh, what's his name? He played Elvis in the. The. The. The. The movie.

Ana Xavier: 00:47:39

Oh, yes, I know who that is. Austin. Yeah, Austin something.

Danny Brown: 00:47:44

Austin someone. I will find out the name and I'll drop in the show notes. The episode show notes. It's not Austin Butler, is it? It's Austin Butler.

Ana Xavier: 00:47:50

I think so, yeah.

Danny Brown: 00:47:50

Austin Butler. So he was getting interviewed on Hot Ones and he said he was going to. Because obviously the.

The premise of the show is about eating increasingly hot sauce wings. He wanted to give Sean the. The host one of his treats.

So it was a peanut butter jelly sandwich, but there was a specific way he made it compared to others.

And basically he got peanut butter on both sides of the bread, then put the jam as a holder, like almost like mustard on a roast, if you like, and then put the jam or jelly in between that and squished it together. Is that something you do or you do the traditional pbj?

Ana Xavier: 00:48:24

Well, the way that he maybe did that is so that the bread would not get soggy with the jam.

Danny Brown: 00:48:30

And I think that was his very words, actually. It says it keeps your bread nice and solid as you eat it, as opposed to just flopping about, you know, like a wet balloon or whatever.

Ana Xavier: 00:48:39

Honestly, I thought you were gonna ask me crunchy or soft peanut butter, which I would always say crunchy. But my strategy, no. Is just like, you know, one side, the other side, I eat it. It doesn't have time. I just, like, put it on the side.

Like the bottom side is the peanut butter side. So that, like, it has like, that, like the. The jam can, like, rest in there. That's my strategy for that sandwich.

Danny Brown: 00:49:06

And is that always going to be. Because I know they've just released the advert, right, where it's now. And now it's PJB or something. So it's J. It's jelly and peanut butter or jpb.

So it's the same thing. It's the same. And maybe it's a Canadian advert, I'm not sure, with the. The Jif peanut butter.

But there's an ad that's running at the moment that I've seen a few times where it's. Instead of doing peanut butter and jell it's now jelly and peanut butter. To your point, I don't know if that would make the sandwich floppy or not.

I wouldn't eat it because I don't like peanut butter. But as someone that does, you know, I know that's something you would do.

Ana Xavier: 00:49:39

Something to try for sure.

Danny Brown: 00:49:41

Well, there you go. You can try.

Once we have finished this, why don't you go and try that and then you can get back to us and I'll do an update on a special little dynamic insert as an update. I got back and this is what she said. Yeah, it sucked. All right, well, there we go, PB and J. And we're reaching the end. We're at question number five.

So let's have a look and see what pops up here.

And I feel this is a nice one to end on, given what you've spoken about so far, Anna, and getting back to community and your culture, what you've, you know, noticed as you've grown older as well. Question 5. What is something you wished you spent as in past tense means more time doing.

Ana Xavier: 00:50:21

The one thing that comes to mind too far. Try not to go too far.

But thinking about that is I think that as a person who has high standards, I really wish I didn't spend as much time being so hard on myself. I think that that is something that enjoying more like those wins, enjoy more life and thinking, you know, how can you know, what is something.

What is the lesson to learn here instead of like, oh, you know, it didn't work out the first time. I think that that, that is something that I come back to a lot.

Like, I've got asked this question before, and I think that that's like something that I really think about is. I think that really about going back to your. It's about. It's not the destination is the journey. I think that is super important that we remember.

And I mean, I'm only 36. There's so much, so many years ahead of me.

But I think that, you know, in your formative years, I think that more people should hear that, that it's okay to not be hard on yourself or not as hard or just think about, like, okay, that's a lesson I learned. I won't be doing that again. Move on. Right. I think that that, like, really spins the whole conversation in a different way.

Danny Brown: 00:51:41

Do you think that's a thing? Because you mentioned you've been creative from an early age. Obviously that's your university and you've taken that from university into your career.

Do you Think that's something more that creative people struggle with. I mean, you mentioned that you're a twin. Obviously you have a twin sister. Does she have the same sort of.

Is she hard on herself if she doesn't quite do something, or is she a bit different from you in that respect?

Ana Xavier: 00:52:04

No, I think it's the same. I think really it was like a combination of the generation we were growing up in and then just the.

Especially people in Portugal, they, they can be quite critical.

And so, yeah, that's something that, like, I really appreciate about Americans going back to the beginning of the conversation, really telling you things that they appreciate. I think that that in itself is very specific to high achieving people.

And the more like you just have high expectations of yourself and you don't really necessarily work so much on, you know, what's the fallout of things not going the way you thought? Right. And I think that that's a skill for sure.

And besides that being a skill, I think it's something that for women specifically, I find that is way harder than a man. Like, women are set to a completely different stand.

I've personally felt that in many work situations and even just like in, you know, during school and stuff where I felt like because I was a woman, because I was supposed to be responsible, there was like a higher set of expectations. And so that in itself is something that I.

That is actually why I work with majority women, because I recognize those signs and I'm like you, you realize that this thing, this thing and this thing, like, like, those are great achievements. Let's not just walk past them and not acknowledge them. Let's really remember this for when things don't go our way or whatever.

Like you remember these acknowledgments. Like, I even have like right next to me. This is a tip for the audience.

My little notebook of achievements, which I'm pointing out to the camera out of habit, but obviously you can't like, hang on. It's on the fact.

Danny Brown: 00:53:54

Yes, Mr. Episode.

Ana Xavier: 00:53:57

So, yeah, I have a notebook of achievements. This is something that my coach taught me. She was like, every time something good happens, write it in that notebook because it will be great.

Think about it from the perspective of even if you are employed is a way for. When you have your performance review, you would write down those things.

To think that for your regular life or even if you're an entrepreneur like me, unfortunately, there's no performance review for me, so I am doing that myself. And I rather remember what I wrote so that I can recall those moments. But I highly recommend this.

I always recommend this to clients because I find that the more you can remember your wins, the more confidence you're gonna have moving forward into, like, scary ground or things that you just. Oh, I had so many blows. Like, I don't know if I can do it. Like, I had a client that she would. Whenever we would. She would have blows.

She would have blows for a long time. And then when she had wins, she had, like, wins for a long time. So I was like, remember those wins? And she would be like, okay, let's go again.

And I think, super important. Do you have a notebook of achievements or something of the. Like.

Danny Brown: 00:55:06

I don't. I should do something like that. A. I can't write very well. I got my hand busted up about 20 years ago and my fingers can't straighten out properly.

I'm formed my writing hand anyway, so it's really hard to. Computers are fine. That's all good. But to actually grip a pen and write nicely, I can't really do that. I don't have like. I. Nah.

Now, we used to have like for our kids growing up, and we should probably reintroduce that. But we'd have like a little board in the kitchen. That would be like a good day board, right? Or a good. Not a good day. What?

I can't recall the exact words, but it was like, say, a celebration board. And it could be the silly things. It could be something like tied my shoelaces. That's awesome. You know? Now what?

Now we can learn how to, I don't know, whatever, wash your hair, whatever. It might have been something like, so. Like that. So we used to do that for kids. Our kids. Kids. Not kids in general.

You know, just do that for every kid that went by our house. Maybe do that too. So we don't really do that. But I do like that idea.

And it makes me going back to your reference there when you were talking about earlier about the teacher that reached out to tell parents, hey, don't put so much pressure on your kids. Let them kind of decide what's right for them and how to go about that. I almost wonder if 20, 26 been the great reset. And that's.

I know that that's a bad phrase for conspiracy theorists out there, but the great unplug. 26 being a great unplug. I wonder if we put the wrong kind of pressure on people because we always say, okay, we'll reward you.

Look, if you don't work hard and get good grades, you won't go to College. If you don't go to college, you won't get a good job. You don't get a good job, you can't be successful. We've been told that for years as kids.

I see it changing now, which is great, but I wonder if that's why we also. We need more of that as well, to make things better from that point of view.

Ana Xavier: 00:56:55

You know, I agree to a point. And then I remembered there was this podcast that I produced many years ago that is called Language Alchemy.

And it was this lady who was talking about how to create better connection with your children.

And she was saying that that expectation of saying, if you behave well, this will be your kind of like the wind that you will experience, and the world does not reward you in that way. And so we are raising children, we're raising adults, right? To have that expectation that they're like.

It's like a Pavlovian response where it's like, do good. And you'll see the reward. And the word is that the world is like, well, do good, because you should care, right? Like, no one is like, yay.

You know, participation medal. And so that.

That is one of the things that really is messing up a lot of millennials, because the way that we were growing up was in that reward system, right? You're like, oh, that person did not go to school.

They did not have good grades, and they decided to drop out of college or whatever it was, and then build their business. And look at them succeeding. And look at me who, like, I have maybe student debt or whatever. And, you know, I'm. I'm not.

I'm not where I thought I would be. And so I thought that her podcast on that was, like, really eye opening for me.

Not that I'm raising any children, but just the way that I talk to, you know, my nephew or the way that I talk to my goddaughters. And. And I think about that a lot. And one thing that I think it's really important to keep in mind is this TED Talk.

And, like, I really wish I remember, like, the. The name, the speaker name. But he was talking about how when you're a kid, your, like, it all comes back to creativity.

Danny, I don't know what's going on this episode, but he was talking about when we have our children, we go, they do a little squiggle, and you're like, that is amazing. That's my next Picasso.

And how at some point that stops being good enough, and then suddenly it's cringy and you're bad at, like, drawing and you're bad. You shouldn't sing when they're just, like, performing their creativity and they're just like, expressing themselves, really.

And so why do we at some point say that squiggle that you drew is not good enough anymore? And so we should reward every single action, regardless of the outcome going back to the. Just focus on actual doing the thing.

And so I think that that in itself, if you listening as well, have younger ones or you have adults in your life, remember to not laugh, laugh at those.

Someone is trying to draw or trying to learn a new instrument, really positively enforce that trial effort and how, like, okay, you may not be the best, but if you're having a great time doing it, let's empower each other. I'm like, oh, my God, do you want to go draw squiggles in the park? Whatever. Just really reinforcing the fact that you can do that.

I think that's like, that was one thing that I was like, oh, my gosh, I will keep that with me forever. I thought it was so good.

Danny Brown: 01:00:13

I love that. And I think that's a perfect end to your time on the five random questions. Hot sea. So I thank you for taking part in and sharing that example.

And I'll try find that. That video, actually, and I'll link to it if I can find it. I will link to it in the show notes so you can check it out yourself.

But, Anna, as is on the fair in every episode, I've had you in a hot seat for the last about an hour now, and it's only fair that I throw the question baton over to you.

Ana Xavier: 01:00:37

Okay, So I was thinking what would be a good question for you? And I was like, from your podcasting journey. And I'm sorry, I'm going to throw it back to podcasting because then I think that would be fun.

What is one thing that has happened that has surprised you because it has changed you on a personal level and you were not expecting.

Danny Brown: 01:00:57

I would probably.

I would probably say, I think accepting, and I think it goes to a point you were talking about earlier about acceptance of perfection not being required.

You know, a lot of you've probably seen in the space as well, a lot of podcast gurus say you have to have the perfect audio, the perfect video setup, the perfect production, the perfect equipment, all the super expensive stuff. Otherwise you won't make it. You want, you know, be worthwhile listening to or watching, etc.

And I bought into that and I. I'd pore over Editing and, you know, is this the right question to ask? And research and all that.

And it would suck the life out, the enjoyment of doing the podcast, where I got to the point, if it was a solo podcast, I was basically phoning the episode in. And if it was a guest podcast, I was getting to the point where I could hear myself listening back. I wasn't really focused on the guest.

I was stuck to my questions.

And I wasn't really in the moment with my guest asking, you know, listening and then going down a rabbit hole with my guest as opposed to what had happened was, while I've got bullet point four, I should get back to that, because that's what I need to ask.

And I think once I realized that and it took out a podcast audit, actually, and I highly recommend it, if you're listening to this podcast and your podcast yourself and you haven't had a podcast on it, get one. There's lots of great people out there that will do it, and they can give you amazing advice.

And one of the pieces of advice I got was it just has to be good enough, right?

It has to be good enough for you to be happy with, good enough for your audience to consume and enjoy, and good enough to put out there for others to enjoy. And once I got to that, that helped an immense amount of time.

And I got back to having fun and enjoying podcasting again and doing stuff like this and hanging out with cool people like you, which I wouldn't have done otherwise, right? So that's probably what the.

The biggest thing I learned was getting the audit and learning that, you know, perfection isn't expected, but being good enough is enough.

Ana Xavier: 01:02:53

You know, I think I love that because it seems to be a trend because I work with podcasters, but I also work with peers. I get hired a lot by people who are like, I really appreciate your knowledge. I, you know, have an audit. I run like any coach.

And that is something that even happened to me. I lost joy by trying to follow the best practices. And that is one thing that I see podcast experts come back to time and time again.

They are so focused in the outside perception. They're like, I'm an expert. I have to know my stuff. Everything must be perfect. That we get lost in the, why did we start this in the first place?

So if anyone is listening that find themselves as an expert in an industry, like, really lean back and ask yourself, like, maybe have someone else who you trust listen to the show, because you may be hard, too hard on yourself without being like that, being needed. So I, I just wanted to, like, like, reflect that back to you because I think that sometimes we're like, why am I being so mean?

I'm like, I fell into that trap, too. And I've. I tell clients to no fall for this trap at all.

And so it's something that happens, but noticing it and finding that joy, that's, like, amazing. And I love that you found a way to be like, okay, how can I change my process to enjoy this again?

Danny Brown: 01:04:12

And that's it. And it's learning to, like you mentioned, to close out outside voices. Right. If I listen to my son who says, hey, Dad, I saw your video. Got 124 views.

Ana Xavier: 01:04:20

Wow.

Danny Brown: 01:04:21

You know, it's like, yeah, well, that's why you don't do video, Ewan. So how's your soccer going, by the way? Throw it right back to him. But, Anna, I really enjoyed chatting with you for the last hour or so.

For people that want to know what you do, listen to your podcast, maybe reach out to get some coaching and, you know, and learn how to work with you. Where's the best place to connect with you and listen to your shows, et cetera.

Ana Xavier: 01:04:44

Yes. So you can visit thepodcastpace.com podcast and my podcast is available on all podcast platforms and also on YouTube.

But I would say if you're a little shy, reach out to me on Instagram. Instagram. I find that sometimes people, like, make find it easier to send at the end versus sending an email.

So I'm at the podcast space and probably Danny will include those in the show notes too. But yeah, send me a dm. I'm, you know, as relaxed as I am right now in this podcast interview.

You know, I would love to help you because truly, like, trying to find something that is sustainable and joyful is, like the key to success and not like the dogs, the bells and whistles and all the best equipment and having a shure mic and all the things. So, yeah, that's what I'd say. Talk to me there.

Danny Brown: 01:05:34

Yep. And I can, you know, I can assure listeners as well. Like, Anna is super friendly and super approachable.

So if you've got a question she's not, you know, she will answer and she'll talk back and talk with you. Not back at you talk with you. So for sure, I will leave all the links in the show notes as normal.

So if you listen to your favorite app or on the website, just check them out and all the links will be there to reach out to Anna. So, again, thanks again for appearing on today's five Random Questions.

Ana Xavier: 01:05:57

Thank you.

Danny Brown: 01:05:59

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