Food for Life, Toilet Tricks, and More with Colin True

Colin True: 00:00:00

You know, and I think this, this is a very telling thing about where we are as human beings. Like, we really still haven't evolved beyond kind of, you know, worried to step our foot out of the cave and get eaten by a saber toothed tiger.

Right. I mean, this is. We are very much fear based individuals.

Danny Brown: 00:00:15

Hi and welcome to 5 Random Questions, the show with unexpected questions and unfiltered answers. I'm your host, Danny Brown, and each week I'll be asking my guests five questions created by a random question generator.

The guest has no idea what the questions are and neither do I, which means this could go either way. So sit back, relax, and let's dive into this week's episode. Today's guest is Colin True.

Colin spent over 20 years working for outdoor brands, living in places most people only get to visit and forming a definite opinion about the good, the bad and the ugly of the outdoor industry and our outdoor community.

After giving up the sales gigs to go deep in the ultra running, Colin soon realized that shit was crazy hard and took way too long looking for something more sedentary. Between his adventures, he discovered writing, pontificating, and podcasting.

He also discovered that most of the outdoor media sounded the same, covered the same topics, and generally was just okay. To Colin, just okay was not okay. And thus Rock Fight was born. So, Colin, welcome to 5 Random Questions.

Colin True: 00:01:18

Thank you so much for having me, Danny. It's great to be here.

Danny Brown: 00:01:21

You are very welcome. And I have to say I was looking at your website earlier.

I'm a huge fan of that site design and I'll leave a link to this in the show notes anyway so people can check it out. It's really super bright, super fun and loud, but in the right way. So I'm curious who did that and do they accept wine and beer as payment?

Colin True: 00:01:39

I can tell you they definitely do. Thank you for the compliment. That was our art director, Sarah Gensert.

I was giggling a little bit while you were reading my bio because my partner at Rock Fight, David Karstad, who goes by producer Dave on the show, he the one who wrote that. So it was very interesting to hear somebody else read it out loud. Yes, Sarah is the, the magic behind Rock Fight.

She has an incredible design sensibility and when we were, you know, we do most of what we focus on at Rock Fight is outdoor in nature.

And so a lot of acoustic guitars and, you know, earthy tones and camping scenes and we said, no, no, no, we want, we want Rock Fight to be the punk rock of the outdoors. And I Think that comes through loud and clear on our website. So I appreciate the couple and I'll make sure.

I'll make sure she gets to hear you say that. And if you. If you want to send her or food, she's in Portland, she would definitely accept it.

Danny Brown: 00:02:27

I shall see what I can do there for sure, mate. And something you mentioned there, your producer wrote the bio, so maybe your producer did a copy on the site as well.

One fun take I saw on the about page is how in the Empire Strikes Back movie, the Star wars movie, if Luke Skywalker had been wearing proper clothing on Hoth, he wouldn't have had to spend a night cocooned inside of tauntauns and intestines for warmth. So were the rebels just poorly prepared for Hoth, period, or was that just like, a bad decision by the filmmakers?

Colin True: 00:02:57

Listen, we know everything in Star wars was a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away, which to me means it was before the textile revolution of the 70s and 80s, which, you know, Gore Tex, polar Fleece, Primaloft, all the stuff that we take for granted now and those of us who like to go play outside and, you know, maybe if Luke had had on some, you know, nice, you know, Kapalene baselayers from Patagonia, maybe he would have had a better night out and not be all slimy and gross the next morning, thanks to Han Solo.

Danny Brown: 00:03:26

Well, it always makes me laugh because they looked as if they had good clothing on. You know, the movie was shot in Oslo in Norway, and it looked like the rebels had good winter clothing on. Then you see the.

The Empire arrived and the snow troopers have just got their plastic armor on. And I'm thinking, well, how are these guys warm? Have they got heaters running through them or something? Just.

That was one thing that kind of stuck with me a little bit, you.

Colin True: 00:03:46

Know, and that's a really good point, because we know that armor is. Am I allowed to swear on this podcast?

Danny Brown: 00:03:50

Yeah.

Colin True: 00:03:50

Yeah, okay. That armor is bullshit. Like, you know, every time any property you watch, as soon as a stormtrooper takes a bolt to the chest, he's dead.

So I don't think it's keeping him very warm, to your point.

Unless there's like, a little fan in there circulating warm air or just, you know, we know the Empire probably doesn't have a lot going on in terms of human rights and, and workers rights. So they're probably like, whatever, dude, you're going to be cold. Get out there and shoot rebels.

Danny Brown: 00:04:10

Well, that's probably why they're Such bad shots as well, because we've got the heaters going, which are now messing up their. Their visor. So they're just. They're crippled from the start. They've got a bad vibe going on.

Colin True: 00:04:21

Yeah. What do you think the stormtrooper union meetings are like? Like, we need better lenses in our helmets. I can't see anything.

Danny Brown: 00:04:27

Yeah, well, it's like in the original Star Wars. There's a nice blooper where the two droids, Sea 3.02 D2, are sat in the place where Han and Luke have just left to go rescue Leia.

And the stormtroopers blast down the door to get into it, and one of the troopers bumps his head as he's walking through in the blast door. So I feel it was just really poorly designed to see out of making the movie.

Colin True: 00:04:49

It's all show, no go, Right. They're like, whatever looked like on paper. They're like, that looks great. I don't care how it works. Practically in the world.

Danny Brown: 00:04:57

Well, hopefully practically in the world, this episode works fine, and the questions we get for you are good ones for you, and we don't have any bad questions for you. So you ready to jump into the random question hot seat?

Colin True: 00:05:08

I could not be more excited. This is great. Random questions. It sounds like a fun format for a pod, so I'm excited to experience this.

Danny Brown: 00:05:15

All righty. Let's bring up the random question generator. Okay. I'm a foodie, so I like this question. I'm curious about you, Colin. Question number one.

If you could only eat one food for the rest of your life, what would it be?

Colin True: 00:05:28

Well, I'm glad we're starting with an easy cupcake of a question, because there's an obvious answer to this, and I firmly believe that if you disagree with me on this, then there's something wrong with you. For people listening to this, because that answer is obviously pizza. Like, when is pizza not good? Pizza is always good. I had p. I make pizza.

I'm a big kind of pizza guy. I like to make my own pizza. I, like, dabble in different types of pizza. And I.

Contrary to popular opinion, I have had some bad pizzas that were like, oh, this is just not good. I don't want to eat this anymore.

But for the most part, you know, especially if there's some wiggle room in that question of, like, one food for the rest of your life, Are you allowed to vary toppings? Whatever. But even if it was plain cheese pizza, I'd be totally content eating pizza every day for the rest of my life.

Danny Brown: 00:06:09

And as a pizza lover. Cause I'm not a. I love pizza, but it wouldn't be my go to, you know, if it was the only thing I could eat.

My son, yeah, 100%, he'd be eating pizza till the cows come home. But I always see, I'm in Canada, you're in the US And I always see this sort of battle, if you like, between New York and Chicago.

Who makes the best pizza. Who makes the best pizza, in your opinion?

Colin True: 00:06:30

Well, if you're gonna go with a town, I'd go with New Haven, Connecticut.

I think the New Haven, Connecticut pizza scene, like the special, the pizza that happens in New Haven is very special and it's its own kind of think in terms of the style. You know, I'd probably, if you're between those two choices, I would go New York over Chicago.

But I think the thing about Chicago, Chicago is defined by their deep dish pizza, but they also make a bar tavern pizza, which is a really crispy thin crust. It's like a more buttery kind of crust that kind of. And it's a just delightful pizza.

But I think because the deep dish is so different and kind of stark in comparison to like a New York style pizza, I think that's kind of what people just get that people affiliate with Chicago. But if you were going to say, you know, a classic New York versus a classic deep dish Chicago, I would go with New York every single time.

I think a, a couple of bites of a Chicago deep dish is wonderful, but man, I think I. It wears thin pretty quick.

Danny Brown: 00:07:26

And obviously, I mean, pizza, it's an Italian dish, an Italian delicacy.

Do you feel like the New York pizza is better than the Chicago one because there's maybe more Italians, you know, expats in New York than Chicago or just because of the design of the pizza?

Colin True: 00:07:41

Well, there'd probably be some people in Chicago would take issue with that question. In terms of the Italians in Chicago, I don't know. That's a good question. So my family, we went to Italy for a vacation.

We went to Rome, we were in the Amalfi coast, We went down to Palermo. Like we did kind of like the whole lower half of the country.

And I got to admit, like there, when we came back, we have a few places even here in Southern California, where I live, that I thought was competitive with the pizza we had at certain places in Italy. So I, I don't know.

I think these days it's probably just, it's easy to find good Pizza, if you really kind of look for it, no matter where you are for the most part. Obviously I'm sure there are some pizza deserts out there.

But it's an interesting point of like the history of, you know, the way Italians settled New York, you know, between like, you know, the Jewish community and the Italians community in New York. So maybe that is why.

But I don't know, I think at this point it's probably just more, it's more cultural to the city than it is maybe on the, the heritage of like who moved there first, you know.

Danny Brown: 00:08:35

And you mentioned you like to make your own pizza as well. So what to you, what's your favorite pizza?

If someone's coming over that's never really had a pizza before and you want to show off or you want to really make sure they have the best experience, what would be your go to creation?

Colin True: 00:08:48

Okay, so that's a good question because so I've tried making my own Neapolitan pizza. I've had an ooni pizza oven. I still can't quite crack the code on how to get that exact.

And you know, I'm not, I'm total amateur here, right, like learning recipes on YouTube. So when it comes to like the more kind of classic Neapolitan pizza, I think I make a decent one.

You know, I wouldn't be embarrassed to share it with anybody.

But if someone's really expecting like, oh, a good pizza, probably the best pizza I make is sort of a Roman style pizza, which is a high hydration dough with like a couple of day proof that has a great crunch and chew to it and you can make it in your oven and you know it'll be really good. But my favorite pizza to make is actually it's called a granny pizza.

And a granny pizza was like, you know, the kind of what you know, the like kind of old Italian, you know, moms and grandmas who had very little time to prep something to feed a lot of people. So it's a sheet pizza that you can make.

It takes about an hour and a half and you make your own dough, but you make the dough with beer and yeast and it only has about a 20 minute proof now. You don't get quite the crunch on it, but the flavor is great. And it has a couple different kinds of cheese and whatever toppings you want.

And then the sauce you have to use bianco tomatoes, which are bar none the best tomatoes in the world. And then you have what I think to be for the effort you put into it, literally like 45 minutes, including rise time of the dough.

It tastes really good. So that's probably my favorite one to make. And if you were coming over, I'd be like, hey, let me whip this up really quick.

Because it's kind of impressive that it tastes so good and it comes together so quickly.

Danny Brown: 00:10:12

I have to find a reason to be over at SoCal. That sounds delicious, mate.

Colin True: 00:10:15

We got a lot of reasons. Come on out.

Danny Brown: 00:10:17

Well, that is true. It is interesting though, you mentioned there that it's almost like a throw together pizza, using ingredients as a way not to waste food.

And I find a lot of foods like that that are originally meant, you know, like a chilli, like a stew, like a curry, for example. It's all put together to not waste food and make a really substant, you know, substantial meal for a lot of people.

And I just feel it's kind of weird how the most basic, for want of a better description of food, putting our ingredients together is often far better than the most fancy food where you pay hundreds and hundreds of dollars for at a restaurant.

Colin True: 00:10:52

Well, I mean, I gotta think some of that thrown together. Is there a little in your background, is that how haggis was, you know, invented? It was a little like, what do we got?

Throw it in that sheep stomach and boil it. Let's see what happens.

Danny Brown: 00:11:01

Boil it. Yeah, I see. I have no idea who the first Scotsman was that thought that might be a good idea.

But fair play to him because it's a really delicious dish.

Colin True: 00:11:09

I was thinking about this because, you know, I'm a fan of the show the Bear.

And I was watching the fourth season just came out recently before we recorded this, and I was thinking about like the history of fine dining and the history of cuisine and like, because prior to World War II, I don't think there was probably a ton of fine dining establishments in the world. I'm sure there was a few places, right, you know, depending on the cities you're in or whatever.

But the kind of proliferation of like rest of a, you know, food culture and restaurant scene and people being able to make incredible meals, that's got to be kind of a second half of the 20th century thing. I would, I would think I have no, you know, I've done no research on this, but. But I think it's kind of fascinating.

Danny Brown: 00:11:45

No, I can see that. I think maybe, you know, depending on the financial. So I think from the working, working class up to middle class, definitely.

Colin True: 00:11:51

Right.

Danny Brown: 00:11:52

Whereas I feel maybe for up towards the upper class, gone back to royalties in the medieval times. Well, not medieval times, maybe Victorian times running by that time, they would probably find dining, you know, for a long time.

But for us mere mortals, us common people, it's probably something new. As you mentioned, the last sort of second half of the century, last century, I guess.

Colin True: 00:12:12

No, it definitely is because I know the food my mom made when I was growing up and it didn't taste as good as like food does now. You know, that was the 80s, so.

Danny Brown: 00:12:19

As a kid that grew up or someone that was a teen in the 80s, I know exactly what you mean, mate.

Colin True: 00:12:23

You know what I'm talking about.

Danny Brown: 00:12:24

Yeah. Our kids today are super spoiled, especially if they make pizza like you just described. So I'm all over that.

Colin True: 00:12:30

Well, that's it. Every pizza recipe I found I pretty much have learned on YouTube. Right.

I think I have like one cookbook that I've bought, but for the most part it's, you know, just go finding recipes and trying things and like, there's so many more resources now. So.

Danny Brown: 00:12:43

Yeah, my wife keeps sending me emails of like a chef she follows, but it's like a chef that's not a high falutin chef, just makes everyday dinners for families. And some of these recipes look amazing. Never got around to making half of them, but they all look really good.

Colin True: 00:12:56

Well, you know, peanut butter and jelly sandwich tastes pretty good too. I pretty, you know, staple diet.

Danny Brown: 00:13:01

So there you go. If you're looking for the last food that you could ever have for the rest of your life, Colin highly recommends pizza and he'll even make you one.

Colin True: 00:13:10

I think it just has to. I just love it so much. And it's like, yeah, is there. Are there days when I would want something else? For sure.

But typically if it was like, let's get a pizza, it's like, yeah, it sounds great, let's do that.

Danny Brown: 00:13:20

Sounds good. Well, speaking of sounding good, let's have a look at question number two.

Okay, I like this because you've said, you said in the intro there that you've been going through some changes over the last year when it comes to the podcast, etc. So, Colin, question two. What would you do differently if you could relive the past year?

Colin True: 00:13:40

Oh, I tend to be a bit of a live in the moment guy. I even have a.

Not to get weird and have your audience think less of me, but I do have a movie quote tattooed on my arm from the Shawshank Redemption that says get busy living or get busy dying. So I'm kind of a, like, you know, the past is the past. Learn from it, but don't dwell too much. Can we get podcast nerdy here?

Do you have a large podcast follower followership on this pod?

Danny Brown: 00:14:06

God, everybody. That's the beauty of this show. It's got a good, nice, eclectic audience, but also podcasters and creators.

Colin True: 00:14:12

Okay. If you are a beginner podcast, especially listening to this. And you know, number one, I'm gonna shill for Danny's employer.

Cause I captivate and I love captivate. And I've learned a lot from using Captivate in terms of how we produce our shows at Rock Fight llc.

If I would redo something earlier, I would have monetized our network way sooner than we did. I think we've learned. So Rock Fight is going to be three years old in December, about two and a half years old.

The flagship show is called the Rock Fight and we talk a lot about outdoor industry stuff.

So the business of the outdoors, it's a little bit more of a B2B podcast, but it's very accessible if you're interested in not just in outdoor activities, but the brands. Right.

The thing about the outdoors, especially human powered outdoors, is unlike pro sports or movies and pop culture stuff we have, our celebrities are the brands. Right. You may not ever go on a hike in your life, but you maybe own something from the North Face or Patagonia or Arc' Teryx or something like that.

And so people are generally pretty interested in what happens at those companies. And so, you know, we developed a pretty.

And also, and I should back up and say the outdoor media scene, you know, the outside magazines, the folks like that, it's, it's a little bit of a time of, let's just say it's going through a bit of a reset. You know, there's a kind of, there's an open opportunity for some new voices.

And that's one reason we sort of decided to kind of do what we're doing at Rock Fight. And I didn't realize early on, you know, I was still kind of learning the podcast game, like just how powerful a niche audience could be. Right.

And if you pay attention to podcasting stuff a lot, I'm sure Danny will tell you on this pod and other pods that he's on that the niche audience thing is the driver of podcasts and what's allows to a lot of success. And it doesn't have to be big numbers as long as you have people actually listening.

And there are ways to monetize that if you work with the right people. So I know it's a little bit of a weird kind of deep answer. Anybody here to hear me talk more about pizza is probably not going to like it.

But I think for the most part, if I could look back over the past 12 months. We started monetizing things last year. I probably could have started it earlier, if I'm being honest.

Danny Brown: 00:16:10

No, it's an interesting answer, mate, and I think it ties into a bigger creator and even entrepreneurship as well, to a degree where I feel maybe imposter syndrome affects a lot of people and you feel, well, you can't really monetize. And you mentioned podcast.

It could be video production, it could be your own company, your clothing company, it could be a design company, anything at all. But it feels like often we are too scared. We don't believe in our product, whatever that product might be, Right?

So we don't monetize that, whatever that looks like, or we don't push it as much because we just feel, well, it's not as good as these guys over here or these guys over here. So what do you think that is?

Just because we see too many people showing off on social, we think we can never be as good as them, even though they're probably not as successful as they're trying to tell us they are.

Colin True: 00:16:55

I think you're spot on with that. I think the imposter syndrome thing is, I think anyone who knows it better will tell you that we all experience it, every single one of us.

And I talked to somebody recently about this. I was at a trade show. Who? Someone who listens to the rock fight.

And I mentioned something about, you know, I don't know, something I was insecure about. And they're like, oh my God, you have imposter syndrome. I'm like, yeah, we all do.

Like, I mean, this is a, you know, and I think this is a very telling thing about where we are as human beings. Like, we really still haven't evolved beyond kind of, you know, worried to step our foot out of the cave and get eaten by a saber tooth tiger. Right.

I mean, this is. We are very much fear based individuals. And so to put ourselves into scenarios that can be uncomfortable.

Whether that is, I want to learn how I want to go run a 5k for the first time, or whether that is, I want to start my own business and monetize a podcast. Right. And it just seems like a lot of times the hill seems much bigger to climb than maybe it actually is.

And you can't until you start, you don't know what's going to happen. And taking that first step in anything is the hardest thing to do. Whether that is, I'm going to try a new activity, whether I'm going to.

I'm going to get a divorce, whether it is I'm, you know, I'm going to help out, I'm going to volunteer whatever it is, taking that first step towards it. An undefined outcome is the hardest part about being human.

And I'm not a religious guy, but I also feel like if there's something that I need to focus on in my life, it's like, how do I overcome those kinds of fears? You know, it's like that is sort of. I feel like there's a purpose here. How do I overcome those fears?

How do I do more with the things I am afraid of and lean into them and then learn from them if I end up being wrong? And I think that kind of goes to exactly what you're saying about. And my point, even something silly about monetizing a podcast, I just didn't know.

And I was afraid and I was like, ah, you know, I think people are listening to this. I think I know that people are listening to us. I could probably ask some people for money, but I don't want to be laughed at.

I don't really understand. Maybe I won't be able to answer some questions. And you know what?

I probably should have picked up the phone and called a few people and be like, hey, I got this thing. You know, honestly, like, 500 bucks would really help out a lot. And I'll read some ads for you on my pod. What do you think?

And I bet you somebody would have said, sure, let's do that.

Danny Brown: 00:18:55

No, exactly. It's interesting. It's like, I don't know if it was Taylor Swift. I feel it was.

I was watching an interview with someone of that level of fame, and she said that even though she's got millions of fans that essentially buy her new album as soon as she drops it or song, and it's like always the number one on Spotify, millions of streams on day one, she still gets super scared releasing a new album, releasing new music, because her audience might no longer be there for her. And it's like, you're the biggest artist in the world. Of course, sorry, Beyonce, but she probably is.

But she's one of the biggest artists in the world and she still gets that imposter syndrome as well. So it's, it's weirdly say how even the most successful stratospheric success, people still suffer from that.

Colin True: 00:19:37

Yeah, I think. And if you. If you lose that, does it not just mean you're probably a narcissist?

I mean, you believe so much in yourself that, well, of course this is going to work because I'm doing it.

It's like, no, I think that just is a really important part of kind of, you know, to inform what it is, whether it's art or business or athletics or whatever it is.

Like, how do you kind of be honest with what's actually happening and, you know, work to improve or do it differently or make different choices in the future? So that.

Yeah, I think that is a very real part of the entire human experience, not just, you know, a unique thing to somebody in a specific set of circumstances. Like, oh, I have imposter syndrome. Like, yeah, we all do. It's like, get on board.

Danny Brown: 00:20:14

I hear you. No, it's funny you mentioned about the narcissism. Our son's competitive soccer player, and he's trying to bridge that gap or manage that.

That sort of step between confidence and arrogance. Right.

So being confident in your ability to take on players and lift your team up, but then does that come across as arrogant if you're, you know, if you take the slightest wrong step or something? So it's a weird one to try. Certainly juggle that as well, I guess.

Colin True: 00:20:43

Yeah.

No, I think athletics are a great point because there's usually a black or white outcome, and you can usually reflect back on what was your role in that black or white outcome. I mean, I turned 50 this year, and I'm still playing, you know, beer league hockey, and there's definitely games.

I mean, for the most part, most of the people playing now are not really caring too much about the outcome. There's a few out there who need to settle down.

Like, hey, guys, like, I don't know what you're playing for, but for the most part, we're just there to have fun. And it's. It's a community. It's a communal thing to hang out with other people and get some exercise.

It beats just going to the pub and, you know, having a beer. It's like, we have the beer after we exercise for two hours, but, you know, we still want to win.

You know, it's still way more fun if we end the evening winning and, you know, and if you lose, I still will look back if we. If we lose a game and be like, all right, I could have done, like, six things differently in that game to maybe have affected the outcome. Right.

So, yeah, no, I hear you. I think that is. It's an interesting. I don't know how we got here from podcast monetization, but it's. It's. I think it's. It's absolutely a true thing.

And people. And people start to be a little more honest and accepting of that. I think that's the other thing people want.

Just want it to be different without maybe doing the hard work of. Of understanding how they can impact those outcomes and have it be okay if you just admit you have imposter syndrome and you are afraid.

Like, that's an important part of the journey in itself.

Danny Brown: 00:22:00

So, yeah, 100% wisdom there.

Well, speaking of imposter syndrome and being confident, we've not got any imposter syndrome on this show so far because we're going through these questions really well. So let's have a look at question number three. I always like these kind of questions.

Question three, Colin, if money was not an issue, what would you do?

Colin True: 00:22:25

That's a hard one to answer because I think right now I'm kind of living a life where I hope that money, I mean, money's an issue right now as far as it is, because I have responsibility to my children. I think I realized in my 40s especially how little I actually need to be comfortable.

So I've had the fortune you mentioned in my bio to have lived in a lot of different places.

Not for any reason, not for any noble reason, like I was in the military or something like that, where just my wife and I are nomadic and want to try different places here in the United States. And so we lived in eight or nine different states at this point.

Everything from, you know, mountain communities to coastal communities and cities and whatever.

And you start to kind of realize, especially when you move around a lot, like, how kind of a burden having stuff is and, you know, how the sort of the daily life that is sort of constructed as being normal not just in the United States, but probably in general in sort of a modern society is kind of propped up on toothpicks in a lot of ways.

And if you kind of look at what your basic needs are and what's actually important, it strips a lot of that back, you know, and some of this is, you know, in the outdoor community, there's the whole Van life movement, which is now, I feel like, completely overblown. And we like to make fun of it quite a bit on the. On our podcast.

But it is true of, like, these people who can just sort of have their basic needs fulfilled in a mobile, you know, vehicle and kind of find ways to either work remotely or, or make money however they do it and kind of, you know, zip around and go mountain biking and rock climbing and these other. And these other things that they like to do and pursue their passions on a nearly full time basis.

That said, I have complicated things by having three children and two dogs and a mortgage and all those kinds of things.

And, and I'm thankful for that because it provides a level of comfort to kind of like live in that kind of environment and be able to, you know, go do other things beyond just surviving. So I guess that's a long way of me talking to just God, if I was gonna strip it back, I probably would do less. Even if I had less money.

I guess that you would be. Not just cause I would be forced to, but because I would want to. Right?

It's a. I actually just had this conversation this morning with my older brother who still lives in Pennsylvania where I was born. He's six years older than me and we're talking about as our kids. Cause my youngest, I have twins who were just turned.

They're gonna be freshmen in high school this year. They're 14. And he's starting to see the end of the road, right?

He's starting to see like, okay, they're about to, they're moving, they're getting closer and closer to not just, you know, our children who depend on us for everything. And I'm excited about that. Not because I've been rooting for my kids to grow up and leave the house, but you know, that'll be sad.

But it's also, we have these moments now where, you know, and I have an older daughter who's going to turn 20 this year and like the five of us will just be kind of standing, sitting around talking or go out to eat and it's very relaxed and you get to see this future where we are going to be peers.

And that's really exciting one because those relationships are going to be fun and different than just them relying on me because there are small children who need me to help defend them in the world. But also because I'm going to get so much time back.

And I think that's something that we don't realize, especially when we're young, how much time we actually have when we're young. You think about when you're like, I definitely, if I had a time machine, I wouldn't go do anything again. Noble with that.

I'd probably go back to like: 1995

Stop sitting around wasting all this time just until it starts to get chipped away and you have the obligation to work, you know, the kids, the dogs, all those things. And you realize, oh my God, like, every minute of every day is taken up and now I'm going to be 50 and I'm like on the back half of my life.

So how do I make this count? So again, I'm a podcaster and I like to articulate my thoughts through speaking. So a long way to get to.

If money was not an issue, I would just probably lean into it and do less and do. And I think that would actually free up a lot of the things that I To allow me to do a lot of things that I would like to do.

Danny Brown: 00:26:08

What's funny, it's like there's obviously the. The famous phrase that money can't buy you happiness. But I always feel that said by people that have money, right?

Colin True: 00:26:17

Yeah.

Danny Brown: 00:26:17

And maybe it doesn't buy them happiness. Maybe they got super bored because they could afford everything and that's led them down a dark path with substances, etc.

So I can completely understand that.

For the average Joe, though, that's got no money, has got or just got not super poor, but maybe they're just good enough to make sure they got the mortgage pay, the kids are fed, etc.

It's always nice to think it'd be really great if I did have more money because then I could do more or as you say, do less and be really focused on exactly what you want to do. That makes it a special event or occasion, right?

Colin True: 00:26:49

Yeah. You don't probably understand that phrase. Money doesn't buy you happiness until you have had some.

Until you have and you've had none and you kind of realize it. And then like, you know, and I've been fortunate that I've enjoyed some success in my life. My wife has as well.

And we've been able to kind of craft a life for ourselves where we are able to kind of do a lot of things that we like to do. I mean, that said, what I have learned is if you said, I got. I can choose between, you know, my house and my mountain bike or surfboard.

I'd probably take my mountain bike or surfboard. You know, like, I know that those things are going to bring me joy on a daily basis.

And for the most part, my house is just going to cost me a lot of money. I could sleep in the back of my Truck, it'd be pretty much okay.

Danny Brown: 00:27:24

Well, the houses, I mean, we own our house, but it's not for. I think as a homeowner you don't buy a house for you, it's for your kids.

So when you've gone, you've paid a mortgage off, they benefit from it because they can just sell it, hopefully, you know, split the money, you know, in a friendly manner, not fight over it afterwards.

Colin True: 00:27:41

Do you think, do you think it'll be 50? How many kids do you have? Do you have two?

Danny Brown: 00:27:43

We got two. Yeah. Yeah.

Colin True: 00:27:44

Oh, they're gonna go 50, 50. Or someone gonna try and take the lion's share of that house.

Danny Brown: 00:27:48

No, I feel, I feel, I mean, I won't care. I'll be dead.

Colin True: 00:27:52

You guys figure it out.

Danny Brown: 00:27:53

Exactly. Have had it. No, no. Their typical brother, sister, like their teens, 15 year old son, 13 year old daughter. So a typical teens.

But they'll argue, but you can see they love each other a bit, so that's great. I'm hoping that would continue.

Colin True: 00:28:07

I never got to enjoy that dynamic of boy and girl. We had all girls, so which, you know, that's fine. But it is kind of, it's. I do. To hear from folks who have one of each.

It tends, it tends to be like that works out pretty well in the long run.

Danny Brown: 00:28:19

Yeah.

I got a friend over in New York long enough that's got three daughters and he mentioned the same kind of thing, mate, where it says he's always curious, what would it have been like had a. Also had a son. Not to replace one of the daughters. Just also, you know, not. Instead of.

Just to clarify that, Mike, if you listen to this episode, mate.

Colin True: 00:28:35

Yeah, my.

All three of my daughters, I've always said like, oh, it'd be great if we had, if you had had a fourth kid and it was a boy and I'm like, that poor kid. If that like the baby of the family was a boy, that would have been kind of a hilarious dynamic.

Danny Brown: 00:28:46

Oh man. The dress up adventures that kid, that boy would have, it'd be amazing. There'd be some great vines and like Instagram reels and etc there.

Colin True: 00:28:54

Oh yeah, that'd be great.

Danny Brown: 00:30:07

Alrighty, so let's have a look at what question number four is. All right, so question number four, Colin. What is the longest that you've stayed awake for?

Colin True: 00:30:19

Okay, I definitely more than 24 hours. I'm not great at it though. I am, I am a. I've always been a early to bed, early to rise guy.

I get up every day by 4 o' clock and my eyes just pop open. I, I've always been that way.

Even it used to drive me crazy in like my early 20s during my like hardest partying days when like we'd stay up till 2, 3 in the morning and get faced and like then go to bed. By 8am I would just wake up and I'm like, I don't have to work today, I want to sleep till one in the afternoon. Nope, just I would wake up.

So I've never, my body has always seemed to like want to default to sleep if it's a certain time of day. Actually pretty much any time of day. If I sit down on the couch and put a TV show on, I'm probably gonna doze off for a few minutes.

I'm a, I'm a good sleeper. I could probably, you could keep talking back if I lay down on the floor of my booth and I could probably fall asleep if you give me enough time.

But there have been a few occasions whether it was sort of that, you know, hard charging, you know, you know, more boozy days of my early 20s. But mostly it was probably especially crewing for people doing ultramarathons, doing 100 mile races and in one case someone who did a 200 mile race.

And there you kind of have to just kind of get your sleep work where you can because you know you have to be ready for when your runner comes running through an aid station or you need to help them out or something like that. So I can't remember a day, a time when it was more than 24 hours, but it has definitely been at least 24 hours.

Danny Brown: 00:31:38

Wow.

You mentioned it about the ultra marathons and having to take the sleep when you can I look at some of these events like the long Le Mans 24 hour race and moral racing for example, or you do like channel crossing, swimming, etc, triathlon. Maybe not so much triathlon because that's not as long as, I'll say 24 hours.

But I always wonder how people, and maybe you can answer this because you sound like you have it locked down there, how people can stay awake and be competitive and still be sharp and focused, etc. When they've got past what normal people, if you like not competitive, would be exhausted of thinking, okay, I'm tapping out here.

Colin True: 00:32:20

I think there's just, there are certain things and I think this is for any sport. Sometimes you find the right person with the right sport. Courtney Dualter is a good example of this in the ultra running scene.

She's probably the most prolific ultra runner going right now in terms of like, she often will beat the men and be the number one finisher of these long races.

If you see her on course, she's usually upbeat and happy and bouncing around, you know, at the finish line after these long events, she's there watching other runners cross the finish line.

So she's incredibly competitive, incredibly skilled at running these long distances and just seems to have the wiring or chemistry that her body is okay with it. A lot of people though, it is the sleep deprivation.

You know, I've been on trail with somebody who was pacing who just needed to lay down on the side of the trail and close their eyes for five minutes. And that alone, that kind of, that quick little, just let them drift off for a second, made the difference for them like finishing and not finishing.

So there is, I think a. It's. These long events are kind of like, how do you game your system? Because that's it.

The human body's pretty incredible when you look at what people can do.

Like, I think I feel like I'm at a point where now when I see new records being sent in kind of the endurance arena, I'm just not really that surprised anymore. I think we're capable of so much. It's truly, how do you mentally overcome it?

I mean, honest to God, like you or I could start walking right now and if you, we have the physical ability to go just walk for 100 miles without stopping. If you could, if your, if your mind could tell your body to keep going, it would, you know, blisters, whatever. You're like, nope, just keep on going.

And you would. It's truly when your mind goes, yeah, I can't do this anymore.

You know, it's like that you have to kind of shut it down and at that point then it becomes like, should you just rest for five minutes? And if you're trying to be competitive now, that's, that's how you have to figure in like strategy of a race. I'm a little bit different. I.

The longest ultra I ever did was a 50 mile race and that was a real challenge.

I found out that I've got some, some interesting joints and that they're really flexible and things tend to wear out in my joints and like, and I was kind of physically struggling to finish that distance. But if you kind of are capable of doing it, it's really about what your mind's going to let you do.

Danny Brown: 00:34:25

Well, it's like you see the mind versus the body, the physical, you know, if I go for even just like a couple hours walk, which isn't a huge, like, what's that, 10k maybe of that? Yeah. I'm not sure. My legs feel it. My mind feels fine, but my legs feel it and they're telling my mind, stop it. You can't do that.

So I always find that dynamic interesting. One thing without getting too gross, maybe like. So someone, and I'm sure you might know where I'm going with this.

Someone goes for hours and hours on a competitive run, sprint, swim, whatever. Yeah, you're gonna use a bathroom. It could be a number one, could have been number two. What's the score there? Do you stop?

Do you just go and keep moving?

Colin True: 00:35:04

Oh, I think. I think any even competitive ultra runner will tell you, you stop and you go. You're gonna be better if you go.

It's probably more of an issue if you're trying to like win like a road marathon when, you know, because they're like the winners, the finishing times are so kind of razor close to each other. So if you have to pull off and hit the porta potty, like, you're probably going to give your closest competitor an advantage, like pull ahead of you.

That's why you do see people, I think, in those events oftentimes just kind of let it rip while they're running. On these sort of longer trail events, people stop, you know, whether it's at the aid station, if they can make it.

If not, you know, they just go off on the side of the trail and, you know, use some leaves and kind of clean up after themselves. So yeah, no, it's. It's a. And that's. I definitely lean that way. I've never been interested in road events for kind of reasons like that.

It's like, ah, mostly this is just a reason for a way for me to get out in the nature and kind of enjoy it and also have something to train for so I stay fit. Like that's how most people tend to approach those events.

But yeah, if you are a, you know, competitive road runner, you may have to make some gross choices while you're out there.

Danny Brown: 00:36:08

Yeah, well, I guess comfort factor as well comes into it.

Colin True: 00:36:10

Right, sure.

Danny Brown: 00:36:11

You know, you don't want to be running. Where have you got something squelching away behind you?

Colin True: 00:36:16

It's a real thing. My. There's a, you know, phrase that we.

And I'm sure it applies a lot of different activities, you know, called dawn patrol, which was a military phrase.

And then it also got adopted by the kind of the outdoor community, especially in the 90s, a guy named Alex Lode kind of coined it for getting out pre dawn adventures, especially when you have, like, little kids at home.

And I've definitely been on dawn patrols where, you know, you're out there and you're winding up and you're running back to your house, and all of a sudden the urge hits you, and I'm like, oh, my God, like, my neighbor's gonna see me squatting in their yard, because otherwise I have no other choice. Like, what am I gonna do? Right?

Danny Brown: 00:36:50

Yeah, I know. There was a comedian.

I don't know if it was Lucy K. Before all the stuff came out about him, just to clarify, but he was on about something similar where the brain, going back to your point about the brain controlling everything, really, you're walking back, you're fine, you've come kind of evening out. You get back to your house and then your body's telling you, oh, you need to go to the bathroom really quick. But you're holding on, you're all good.

But then your eyes see your house and your brain kicks in.

Colin True: 00:37:18

We're home.

Danny Brown: 00:37:19

And then it's like, really, emergency stations to get back.

Colin True: 00:37:21

Isn't that funny? And again, not to keep the gross theme coming, but I used to travel a ton for work. I was on airplanes every day of the week for a solid few years.

And I would call. I would call it the homecoming, where, like, on the road, you're out of sorts. Vacations. I think this happens too, when, like, you're.

Especially if you're in different time zones, your body's like, I don't really know where I am, what's going on. And then you walk through that front door, you get home from the airport, and what, within 30 minutes? It's like, everything's like, oh, thank God.

We could just, like, we can relax and let it all, you know, do what it needs to do.

Danny Brown: 00:37:52

Yeah, not 100%. I'm there with your mate. Home comforts. I call that for a reason.

All right, well, speaking of home comforts, we've comfortably gotten up to question number five, which is awesome. So let's have a look and see what question number five is for you. What is something new that you've learned in the past week?

Colin True: 00:38:12

Wow. Have I learned something new in the past week? Okay, yeah. All right. This is what I've learned new in the past week.

That my daughter Madeline is awesome. I already knew that she's awesome, but.

Danny Brown: 00:38:25

I'm going to cut that second part out. I'm not going to let you get that bit in there.

Colin True: 00:38:30

Like, you just now realize that, dad. Like, no, no, I really. No, I say that because she impressed the hell out of me the other day. She. She rides horses.

She's learning to be, you know, hunter jumper horses. And, you know, she. So. So she takes lessons. We lease a horse, the whole deal. And she, you know, and.

And which a lot of people, like, isn't that expensive. And like, I used to have three girls who played travel ice hockey. This is not that bad. But the. So. But she has had some, you know, peaks and valleys.

She's 14, kind of like I think you would learning a new sport no matter what. And then definitely some. We had to switch trainers because we found someone that kind of would benefit her a little bit more.

And that happened a few months ago. And her confidence has been slowly climbing over the past few months. And she actually had overcome sort of an injury. She had a concussion.

And so there was, you know, a lot going on probably in the last year, actually. Her, you know, what is. What is. You know, how would she relive the last year would probably be a better question for her than for me.

But the other day, we were at one of her lessons, and this new horse that she's on, she started a new lease with a new horse, and it kind of started having a moment where something. It didn't spook and start bucking her, but it kind of started getting out of control.

And I was sitting actually with her trainer when this was happening, and I was watching this unfold, and I immediately am into panicked dad mode. Like, what am I going to do, by the way? Like, am I going to, like, jump in and grab the horse? Like, I'm not going to do that.

I'm just going to get him getting hurt, probably hurt her along with me.

So I'm trying really hard just to sit still and, like, let this play out, let the trainer have, you know, help, but also know that it's kind of on Maddie to fix this. And what seemed like an eternity, it felt like minutes. It was probably, I don't know, 15 seconds, but the horse was just ripping around.

And she, you know, managed to just get this horse under control to the point where, you know, she made a. She made a decision in the moment of what to do. She executed on what she was supposed to do, and it worked out.

She ended up kind of breaking down a little bit because it was a terrifying moment for her, but it was rarely do. I feel like sometimes when you're, especially with Kids, you get to see the learning happen.

So obviously for what they learn in life, a lot of it is just more observation. And as they grow, they kind of like, you know, you realize that, oh, they are paying attention to what you do or what happens in school or whatever.

This is a moment that I'll look back on. I think she will as well.

To be like, you had gotten to a certain place with how to ride a horse, not knowing if you could do something like this, but you were able to apply what you have learned to control a situation that was really difficult for you.

And now you've earned the confidence that when this happens again, which it invariably will, you know what to do because you've already been through it once.

So it's this kind of weird, like little microcosm of like what you want to, like, learn as you go through life and learning an activity or like life lessons learned from the activity, all of those things. And I was just so proud of her, right? Like we all say, oh, I'm so proud of my kids. Like in this moment I was like, that was amazing to witness.

Just so amazing to witness and see it happen in real time in front of me. So I guess what I learned in the last week was just how awesome one of my kids is.

Danny Brown: 00:41:21

The other two, not so much. But this one, yeah, screw those kids.

Colin True: 00:41:24

What the hell do they know? They didn't ride a horse, especially a horse.

Danny Brown: 00:41:27

I mean, they're pretty strong animals. I'm scared of horses. I will admit right away, I get. I got bit by one as a young kid, so that's, that's the reason why. But they're big animals.

So for anybody to, once they start going to, you know, have the sense and the calmness to get it back under control, you say, kudos, it's amazing.

Colin True: 00:41:46

The horses are incredible. One, I think they're just incredible animals. To your point, though, I think they can be incredibly terrifying.

I actually was talking to our trader because you do see, I've been seeing enough of this stuff where in these very controlled environments where they have just routines and these horses have been trained their entire lives to do, no matter what the discipline is, and they still do spook or you have a moment like this, there was really no reason why this horse did what it did in that exact moment. Sometimes these things just this happen and you are dealing with an animal that has a brain that does that is a prey animal.

e, I can, like, you know, the: 1800

Or before the automotive automobile, were people just dying from like, horse injuries all the time? Because you watch like Tombstone or an old west movie and they're just riding around on horses and everything's fine.

I guarantee you every single day somebody was getting bucked up a horse and was either paralyzed or, you know, like in a coma or getting killed just from riding horses. Because I see how often this happens in these controlled modern environments. Well, what was happening when that was all you had was riding horses?

The injury rate must have been off the charts.

Danny Brown: 00:42:54

No. 100% mate. Tombstone, I love that movie. Probably my favorite Western, certainly up there is my favorite Western.

t. I was in Amsterdam back in: 2018

I was over in Scotland with my buddy for his 50th and we stopped off in Amsterdam as a flyover on the way home. And it's all cycles, it's all more. It's all bikes, bikes everywhere.

And I feel like it's all controlled, but you're talking about hundreds of bikes just going back and forth at any time of the day. And it's scary as someone that's not used to that, but it looks super controlled.

But I feel there, there must be some real elbow scrapes and knee scrapes and all people falling off and crashing each other, you know, because it's controlled chaos, basically.

Colin True: 00:43:37

It must happen now at the same time. I'm sure no one's wearing a helmet, but also, you know, that still, even with all that controlled chaos, probably way safer than driving a car.

Danny Brown: 00:43:45

Oh, yeah, right.

Colin True: 00:43:47

But the car probably feels safer to you. You're like, I'll get in the car.

Danny Brown: 00:43:50

Yeah, yeah, I'll be in the car. I would not be outside the car trying to take that on. Put me in front of like playing a game of chicken with a bike or a car.

I know where I'm going for sure.

Colin True: 00:43:59

It's funny you mentioned being afraid of horses, too. I did have one experience. We were bike packing in the San Rafael Swell.

And it's just kind of in the middle of Utah, this incredible area of southern Utah. And there was a pack of wild horses, like, in that area. And we got to see, like, right near where we camped.

They just came, like, just charging through and like zipping around. And it was.

That was incredible because, like, I don't know horses, I mean, kind of like cows or these other just domesticated animals, like all of most of our experience with them are just.

You see them in a, in a ring with a person riding them or a cow's just like hanging out there, like, waiting to give milk or waiting to be slaughtered so they can be turned into hamburgers. Right. And like, to just see a true pack of wild horses and it just made me, it gave me more respect for the animal.

To your point of, like, they're, they're scary, but also like, I don't know, they're just kind of dopey animals that people ride around and to see, like, oh, wow. Now imagine if you're a predator coming on this pack of horses. That would be formidable. Right.

Because they were just like, working in concert with each other and they could stomp the. Out of you if, like, if you got too close. It was, it was pretty incredible.

Danny Brown: 00:44:55

Yeah, it's like the difference between zoo animals and, like, safari animals, which is still wrong, but at least it's open space. And then in their natural habitat. Right. It's completely different.

You know, you go see a poor tiger at the zoo that's behind, you know, a cage of some description or a pit, and then you think, okay, I'm not going to get the jungle of the desert where these guys live, because that is a different story altogether. Right?

Colin True: 00:45:20

Yeah. Isn't that weird?

Because, like, it's a weird emotion where, like, I definitely, whenever, if I've been at a zoo, it's amazing to see these animals and, and see one alive, but also I just feel terrible that they're sitting in a cage in the middle of a giant city. Right. Just doesn't feel like it should be that way.

Danny Brown: 00:45:36

No, I agree.

And it's, it's, it's great that hopefully the zoos are good zoos and are taking really good care of the animals and they're educating humans about the animals and why they should be right.

Colin True: 00:45:46

Exactly.

Danny Brown: 00:45:46

You know, in the wild as well. But yeah, it's always that sort of dichotomy of, you know, yes, it's good, but it's not so good either. So, you know, we're following that line.

Well, speaking of falling on lines in good and bad, we've come to the end of your five questions and I really enjoy that, Colin. So thank you for sitting in the random question hot seat. As is only fair, it is now time for me to hand over the question baton to you.

Colin True: 00:46:10

Well, I'm going to turn the table on you here, Danny, because I brought up my own question Generator. Because I was trying to think of what I wanted to ask you, and I'm like, you know, anything I come up, I don't know if it's gonna be.

It won't be as good. So I'm like, I'm gonna do the same thing to you that you did to me.

Danny Brown: 00:46:22

I like it.

Colin True: 00:46:23

And actually, funnily enough, it's the same website you use. I didn't. That was not intentional. All right, so let me go through. Let me find it. Find the best one. Here we go.

All right, so now you can tell me if you've asked this on the show. I'll find another one. Because I don't want to. I don't want to make you repeat when you've already asked somebody else. Okay.

You probably asked somebody this. What is the best piece of advice you've ever received?

Danny Brown: 00:46:46

I have asked that, but I've never been asked that. I don't think. So. I'm happy to go with that if you want, mate.

Colin True: 00:46:51

All right, let's do it.

Danny Brown: 00:46:52

Okay, so the best piece of advice. Well, there's two. There's one that was fun, and then I guess there's like, the serious one, if you like. Fun one is always stand up before you flush.

That was my granddad, and I feel even though it's a fun one, it's a very good one as well, especially going back to some of the topics we were talking about earlier with the. The long time running, etc. So, yeah, always stand up before you flush. Good life lesson there. But I think probably the serious one is. And it's.

Colin True: 00:47:20

It's.

Danny Brown: 00:47:20

I think. I think it was my stepdad that told me this. I can't remember. It's like years ago. Very blunt, very simple advice, but basically, just don't be a dick.

You know, I'm sure he worded it very differently because he was your typical Gruffy.

Colin True: 00:47:34

It was way more crass.

Danny Brown: 00:47:36

Oh, very much so. He had no filter whatsoever. But, yeah, just don't. Whether it's like, you know, with your. Your loved ones, with your.

Your kids, you know, your parents, your family, friends, whatever. Even people like us, you know, just online, right here, right now, mate. You know, it's.

There's an old saying that, you know, treat people the way you want to be treated yourself, which is true, but unless maybe you're like a serious sadist. Sadho, masochist, whatever. I know what the word is.

I'm trying to say, and I'm not saying it properly, maybe you enjoy getting abused and stuff like that. At least abusive, you know, language, etc.

But yeah, it's just, it's really easy to go online today especially and hide behind a keyboard and be mean and horrible and crappy people with no comeback whatsoever. And I feel that's responsible for a lot of issues in the world today, you know, full stop social media, I love it.

It's also super, super bad and not so good in many ways.

So, yeah, I feel just like Dom, you know, if I've always said like my, my wife and nothing wrong with this at all, but she's a big fan of our kids getting really well educated, good education, going to university, having that, that fallback if you know something. If they don't, their dream job doesn't happen downwards in life. I'm not so much. I'm not about grades. If you've got great grades, awesome.

If you don't, it's not the end of the world. I'd rather see kids being raised both at home and at schools, etc.

And being taught what it means to be kind, what it means to stand up for your fellow human if they can't stand up for themselves, etc. So I guess that's probably the best advice because I always feel that you can learn anything, but you can't really.

If you're a horrible, horrible person, it's really hard for you to suddenly shift that, to be a nice person.

Whereas if you started off nice and you're aware of people around you and animals and anything around, and this is going to sound really Kumbaya, I apologize. That's a good life lesson right there. Just don't, like Peter Griffin would say, don't be a dick.

Colin True: 00:49:27

Listen, Kumbaya is fine. This is a, you know, I do outdoor stuff. It's like it's at least 33% Kumbaya at any given time, depending on what we're talking about.

It plays into all of it. Yeah, yeah.

I think a strict no asshole policy is important and sort of being able to act on that when you realize that maybe someone has breached the ranks of being a dick or being an asshole. And it's like, you know, just cut bait, man, this is not gonna work out. I could not agree with you more.

I think being kind, it goes back a little bit of what we were saying earlier about we have not quite evolved beyond just being a fearful little scrawny being who just.

We were able to think our way out of these dangerous situations in the world, but we still act like we might get killed if we stick our Toe out of the cave. Right? So it's a. I think you're spot on, man. I think it sounds like your kids have a good dad to be teaching them those kinds of values.

So good for you.

Danny Brown: 00:50:17

No, thank you. It's funny, my son, we were out and we were just talking as you do.

Like you're saying they're getting closer to being peer age now and we're having different conversations five, ten years ago and he'd mentioned that what would he do if he saw kids bulling another kid at school? Should he get involved or should he not? Because they might all turn on him and beat him up, et cetera.

That's a weird one because I understand that, but I just said to him, okay, well, let's say there's three people in a restaurant and one of them is being really mean to that other person.

Let's say that person's an immigrant, or that person's got a disability, or that person's got something that the other person thinks is open game to pick on. If you stay silent, are you as bad as that other person?

You know, if there's like, if there's a Nazi in a bar to give a really bad example, but there's Nazi in a bar being really horrible Nazi stuff to a Jewish person or someone you know of minority. And there's another air quote here, normal person in a bar that doesn't speak up. Now you've got two Nazis in the bar. That's the way I always view it.

So, yeah, it's an interesting time to try, you know, speak to kids as well, mate.

Colin True: 00:51:19

It's important. I think I agree with you on the face of it like this.

I'm generally pro where we are in the world with technology because of where you and I aren't sitting here talking.

Wouldn't have met you probably my entire life if we didn't have the technology we do to kind of engage the way that you and I are getting to right now. That said, it does kind of expose sort of our ugly underbelly.

I also believe that that underbelly probably needs to be exposed if we ever think we're going to move past it. And I think when we're able to sort of like live in our silos and kind of just form opinions and not have the opportunity to be more educated.

More educated or learn things, probably long term doesn't work out. So I feel like, I think this, you know, the social media area is a big.

If it all works out, then it means we'll look back on it thinking like, wow, look at the growing pains we had to go through to get to this good time. If it doesn't work out, like, wow, we were probably doomed to begin with. So whatever.

Danny Brown: 00:52:08

Well, this is where we need Bill and Ted, right, to come up and write that excellent song. Just save the World without one song.

Colin True: 00:52:14

By the way, still holds up one of my 14 year olds. Big Bill and big Bill and Ted fan. So actually all my kids are Bill and Ted fans.

Danny Brown: 00:52:21

So good kids right there. I mean, they've got my seal approval even though you didn't need it, but they've got my SEAL approval right there.

Well, speaking of sealant, I appreciate that question. Thank you for that, mate.

Colin True: 00:52:31

Oh, thanks for answering it.

Danny Brown: 00:52:32

So Colin, I really, really enjoyed chatting to you and hearing your answers to the five Random questions.

For people that want to know more about Rock Fight, know more about what you do, ultrarunning, et cetera, hear the podcast, any of that good stuff at all, where's the best place for them to connect with you, follow online, listen, etc.

Colin True: 00:52:49

All the normal places.

I mean definitely start with our website Rockfight Co. That's where we post all the episodes for the Rock Fight, which is, you know, the, the self titled podcast which is the one that I host. We also have another show called Open Container. It's hosted by a gentleman named Doug Schnitzbahn is a legendary journalist in the outdoor industry.

Coming in August: 2025

If you search for Rock Fight, you'll find the whole network and on your favorite podcast platform. If you're at all interested in the brands that define the outdoor space, I think you'll probably like this show, so.

Danny Brown: 00:53:30

Appreciate it and I will be sure as always to leave all these links in the show notes.

So if you're listening on your favorite podcast app or on the website, be sure to check out the show notes and they will link straight through to them. So again Colin, thank you for appearing on five Random Questions.

Colin True: 00:53:44

Thanks for having me.

Danny Brown: 00:53:45

Danny, thanks for listening to five Random Questions.

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